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Article #3847Re: Bush is a Failure...so is Snuffy Smith
From: Slim
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:23
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On 2007-07-01 19:27:52 -0400, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> said: > On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:28:48 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote: > > >> >> NO WOMD found. Bush Lied. >> >> >> NO WOMD found. Bush Lied. >> >> >> NO WOMD found. No Yellowcake found. Bush Lied. http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/000930.html For the moment, let's set aside discussion of the relative merits - or not - of the claims regarding whether Iraq did or did not in fact seek uranium in Niger and in DR Congo in the 1999-2000 time period, to ask a different question. [After all, neither the SSCI report nor the Butler report ever establish that Iraq did in fact seek uranium from Africa since 1998. They say, the claims were not in their opinion disproven [e.g. absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But it's not evidence of a positive, either...] Further, it's important to point out, neither report even begins to contend that Iraq actually succeeded in acquiring any uranium . . .] As I said, let's set that discussion aside for the moment to ask something different. That is: what specifically were the other alleged sources for the claim Iraq sought to discuss acquiring uranium in Niger, other than the reports Britain and the US received from Sismi that were discredited upon the discovery that Sismi's report was based on the counterfeit Niger uranium documents? As I have previously noted, the Butler report asserts that the UK had "multiple" sources for the claim, while obscuring what those sources actually were. The IAEA, for one, has asked Britain to clarify the other sources it claims to have, which it has yet to do. So what do we know about the nature of the reputed other sources? The most specific references to be found come from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report. Here are all the references to reputed other sources from the Senate report I could find: * Several analysts interviewed by Committee staff also pointed out that information in the second intelligence report matched [redacted] reporting from 1999 which showed that an Algerian businessman, Baraka, was arranging a trip for the Iraqi Ambassador to the Vatican, Wissam al-Zahawi, to visit Niger and other African countries in early February 1999. [Redacted]. [Cited from page 38 of the Senate report] [ . . . ] * The intelligence report indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997-1999) or Foreign Minister (1996-1997). Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it. Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999, [redacted] businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq." [page 43] [ . . . ] * ([Redacted]) On November 25, 2002, The Naval [redacted] issued a very brief report Alleged Storage of Uranium Destined for Iraq [redacted] that a large quantity of uranium from Niger was being stored in a warehouse in Cotonou, Benin. The uranium was reportedly sold to Iraq by Niger's President. The report provided the name and telephone numbers for the individual, a West African businessman, who was responsible for coordinating the alleged uranium transaction and indicated that he was willing to provide information about the transaction. CIA's DO told Committee staff that the businessman has never been contacted and the DO has not made an effort to determine whether this individual had any useful information . . . The Defense Humint Service (DHS) and the Navy also told Committee staff that they did not try to contact the businessman . . . The DHS told Committee staff that because the DHS examined the warehouse on December 17, 2002 and saw only what appeared to be bales of cotton in the warehouse, they did not see a reason to contact the businessman. . .[Pages 59-60] [ . . . ] * On March 8, 2003, the DIA provided an info memo (TS-99-177-03) to the Secretary of Defense in response to a March 8, 2003 Washington Post article, "Some Evidence on Iraq Called Fake." The memo said, "we believe the IAEA is dismissing attempted Iraqi yellowcake purchases, largely based upon a single set of unverified documents concerning a contract between Niger and Iraq for the supply of 'pure uranium.' The [memo added that the] USG had not shared other [information] with the IAEA that suggested a Nigerien uranium deal with Iraq." The other intelligence referenced in the memo is the CIA intelligence report on the former ambassador's trip, which described the Nigerien Prime Minister's belief that an Iraqi delegation was interested in uranium, the Navy report from November 2002 which said uranium destined for Iraq was being stored in a warehouse in Cotonou, Benin, and a fax from late 2001 found in the possession of a Somali businessman which described arrangements for shipping unidentified commodities in an amount that appeared similar to the amount in the Iraq-Niger yellowcake deal. The fax, however, did not mention uranium, Iraq, or Niger. [pages 69-70] [ . . . ] * On April 5, 2003, the [National Intellience Council] NIC issued a Sense of the Community Memorandum (SOCM), Niger: No Recent Uranium Sales to Iraq, (NIC SOCM 2001-12.) The SOCM said, "we judge it highly unlikely that Niamey has sold uranium yellowcake to Baghdad in recent years. The IC agrees with the IAEA assessment that key documents purported showing a recent Iraq-Niger sales accord are a fabrication. We judge that other reports from 2002 - one alleging warehousing of yellowcake for shipment to Iraq, a second alleging a 1999 visit by an Iraqi delegation to Niamey - do not constitute credible evidence of a recent or impending sale." . . . (•) On June 12, 2003, the DIA sent an information memorandum to Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, in response to questions about Iraq's nuclear program. The memo said, "while the Intelligence Committee agrees that documents the IAEA reviewed were likely 'fake,' other unconfirmed reporting suggested that Iraq attempted to obtain uranium and yellowcake from African nations after 1998." The other reporting mentioned was the Navy report from November 2002, which said uranium destined for Iraq was being stored in a warehouse in Cotonou, Benin.[pages 70-71] So, let's review. The universe of other sources, at first glance, appears to include: 1) An Algerian businessman, Baraka. According to the Senate report, Baraka was reported to be involved in arranging the trip for the then-Iraqi Ambassador to the Vatican, Wissam al-Zahawi, to Niger and three other African countries in early February 1999. Where did this report of Baraka come from? The Senate report says Baraka was mentioned in the CIA Directorate of Operation's "second report" on the Niger uranium subject, issued on February 5, 2002. From the Senate report, p. 37: Reporting on the uranium transaction did not surface again until February 5, 2002 when the CIA's DO issued a second intelligence report [redacted] which again cited the source as a "[foreign] government service." Although not identified in the report, this source was also from the foreign service. The second report provided more details about the previously reported Iraq-Niger uranium agreement and provided what was said to be "verbatim text" of the accord. From what I know from other reporting, the foreign government source for this second intelligence report was not Britain, but Italy's Sismi. The timing is right around the time a high ranking Sismi official briefed a high ranking CIA official in Washington in February 2002 on the Niger uranium claims. And as you can see from the section excerpted above, the obvious source for the "verbatim text" the "foreign service" gave to the CIA in February 2002 was lifted from the documents which we now know to have been the counterfeit Niger uranium documents. In any case, Baraka is not described so much as an independent source on the deal, but as someone described by the foreign government service to the CIA as part of the deal. Nevertheless, the larger context for the Baraka claim to the CIA appears to be the counterfeit Niger uranium docs. More alleged sources for the claim: 2) A "[redacted] businessman." The Niger prime minister and former foreign minister Mayaki said..."that in June 1999, [redacted] businessman approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss 'expanding commercial relations' between Niger and Iraq...The intelligence report also said that 'although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq.'" Who is this businessman? The timing alluded to here suggests he is not the Algerian businessman, because the Algerian businessman referred to above was reportedly trying to broker the meeting between the Iraqi ambassador to the Vatican and the Niger authorities back in February 1999, not in June 1999. I'll reserve a hypothesis for now until I can get more information. But one thing to note is this is a pretty uncompelling allegation. The Niger prime minister is saying that the redacted businessman was trying to set up a meeting which he admits occurred, but says that he didn't allow uranium to be discussed. 3) The West African businessman. "...The Naval [redacted] issued a very brief report Alleged Storage of Uranium Destined for Iraq [redacted] that a large quantity of uranium from Niger was being stored in a warehouse in Cotonou, Benin. The uranium was reportedly sold to Iraq by Niger's President. The report provided the name and telephone numbers for the individual, a West African businessman, who was responsible for coordinating the alleged uranium transaction. This would seem to be the strongest example of a genuine potential "other source" to be found in the report on the Niger uranium issue, to my mind. And yet, no one ever interviewed him, so he clearly is not much of an independent source. And when the USG did check out the warehouse supposedly involved, it didn't find any yellowcake. Here is mention of someone who is alleged in a Navy report to actually be involved in the coordination of a deal. It's also worth noting that this section on the Navy report is different from citations of "other sources" in the Senate report because it does not appear to be originally sourced from a foreign government at all. At least the Senate report doesn't indicate the Navy got this from a foreign government service (or where the Navy got this information at all). In any case, a month after the Navy report is issued in November 2002 mentioning the West African businessman, US sources did get check out the Cotonou, Benin warehouse alleged in the Navy report to be the transit point for yellowcake, and it turns out to hold bales of cotton. Subsequently, according to the Senate report, there's no US government effort to follow up and interview the businessman. I basically agree with the SSCI report admonition that the US government should have at least tried to interview this West African businessman - which none of the three US intel agencies, including the Defense HUMINT agency, did. If his identity can be ascertained, some journalist should try to go interview him. But it's hard to see how the West African businessman ultimately amounts to a real other source for the Niger uranium claims, by virtue of the fact, no one ever interviewed him. If someone leaves a journalist a voice mail with his name and phone number and says on the message, I know about X, Y, Z, one simply can't include him in one's article as a source, without interviewing him. What's more, if the journalist checks out what the person said he's involved in, and it appears to be false, it wouldn't be enough to base a story on. So even this West African businessman, the potentially strongest inkling of another source from the SSCI report, seems to be deeply problematic at best. 4) A fax from late 2001 found in the possession of a Somali businessman, "that appeared similar to the amount in the Iraq-Niger yellowcake deal. The fax, however, did not mention uranium, Iraq, or Niger." It's hard to know what to make of this, the mention is so cryptic, and seems to evaporate from further reporting. How the fax alluded to was obtained, and how the Somali businessman upon which it was found came to the US's attention, remain steeped in mystery. This would seem to likely be a potential British other source, but until Britain makes clear what or who it provided, it's hard to know. I will point out that among the forged Niger uranium documents is a fax reporting that quantities of something chemical being transported from Niamey to Cotonou Benin from August 2001. Check out this one. However, this does not appear to be the fax in question, because it is a fax from the Niger Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the fax mentioned in the SSCI report is described as having no mention of Niger, Iraq, or uranium. In any case, the research so far suggests the fax found on the Somali businessman is the closest hint we have to what Britain's other source may be. Secondly, some news reports have suggested Britain's "other source" had been obtained by signals intelligence, and a fax would potentially seem of that nature. So, where are we? It seems to me the only potential "other sources" left standing are the Somali businessman and potentially the West African businessman, who the US never interviewed. That said, there is evidence pointing against the fact that the transaction with which the West African businessman was alleged to have been involved actually transpired. There was no yellowcake found in the Cotonou warehouse, and -- oh yeah -- there was no new uranium found in Iraq. It seems the Somali businessman is the strongest contender for a "British other source." But then again, he is the source ultimately of a fax that mentions no Niger, no Iraq, and no uranium. It's not quite the kind of evidence one would want to take a country to war on. I'm obviously not an intelligence expert. But it seems to me the CIA's judgment, described below from the Senate report, makes sense: (U) On June 17, 2003, nearly five months after the President delivered the State of the Union address, the CIA produced a memorandum for the DCI which said, "since learning that the Iraq-Niger uranium deal was based on false documents earlier this spring, we no longer believe that there is sufficient other reporting to conclude that Iraq pursued uranium from abroad." When you compare the other sources described in the Senate report with the forged documents themselves, and the fact that no WMD have been found in Iraq (a crucial point), they seem largely to evaporate, and appear rather to be elements of a fictional transaction recorded in what all investigators have agreed are counterfeit documents. But we won't know for sure unless and until Britain clarifies what its independent sources for the uranium from Africa claims were. Why it doesn't begs the question, what does it have to hide? Is it ashamed its claimed "other sources" aren't more credible, or is there some other explanation? >> >> >> NO WOMD found. Bush Lied. >> >> Raygun adn Rummsey supplied "our ally" Saddam --->with WOMD<--- that >> was used on the Kurds. >> >> Raygun and Rummsey sat back and watched the slaughter without a peep. Arming Iraq: A Chronology of U.S. Involvement By: John King, March 2003 What follows is an accurate chronology of United States involvement in the arming of Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war 1980-88. It is a powerful indictment of the president Bush administration attempt to sell war as a component of his war on terrorism. It reveals US ambitions in Iraq to be just another chapter in the attempt to regain a foothold in the Mideast following the fall of the Shah of Iran. Arming Iraq and the Path to War A crisis always has a history, and the current crisis with Iraq is no exception. Below are some relevant dates. September, 1980. Iraq invades Iran. The beginning of the Iraq-Iran war. [8] February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. [1] December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq. [9] 1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments. [4] November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran. [1] & [15] November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. [14] October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. [16] November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. [1] Donald Rumsfeld -Reagan's Envoy- provided Iraq with chemical & biological weapons December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. [1] & [15] July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. [19] January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application. [2] March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. [10] May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. [3] May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. [7] March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. [17] Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. [1] February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. [8] April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. [7] August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925. [6] & [13] August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. [8] August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds. [8] September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. [7] September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives." [15] December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. [1] July 25, 1990. US Ambassador to Baghdad meets with Hussein to assure him that President Bush "wanted better and deeper relations". Many believe this visit was a trap set for Hussein. A month later Hussein invaded Kuwait thinking the US would not respond. [12] August, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait. The precursor to the Gulf War. [8] July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians. [11] August, 1991. Christopher Droguol of Atlanta's branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro is arrested for his role in supplying loans to Iraq for the purchase of military supplies. He is charged with 347 counts of felony. Droguol is found guilty, but US officials plead innocent of any knowledge of his crime. [14] June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]." [5] July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently, helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons." Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House. [18] February, 1994. Senator Riegle from Michigan, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, testifies before the senate revealing large US shipments of dual-use biological and chemical agents to Iraq that may have been used against US troops in the Gulf War and probably was the cause of the illness known as Gulf War Syndrome. [7] August, 2002. "The use of gas [during the Iran-Iraq war] on the battle field by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern... We were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose". Colonel Walter Lang, former senior US Defense Intelligence officer tells the New York Times. [4] This chronology of the United States' sordid involvement in the arming of Iraq can be summarized in this way: The United States used methods both legal and illegal to help build Saddam's army into the most powerful army in the Mideast outside of Israel. The US supplied chemical and biological agents and technology to Iraq when it knew Iraq was using chemical weapons against the Iranians. The US supplied the materials and technology for these weapons of mass destruction to Iraq at a time when it was know that Saddam was using this technology to kill his Kurdish citizens. The United States supplied intelligence and battle planning information to Iraq when those battle plans included the use of cyanide, mustard gas and nerve agents. The United States blocked UN censure of Iraq's use of chemical weapons. The United States did not act alone in this effort. The Soviet Union was the largest weapons supplier, but England, France and Germany were also involved in the shipment of arms and technology. References: Washingtonpost.com. December 30, 2002 Jonathan Broder. Nuclear times, Winter 1990-91 Kurt Nimno. AlterNet. September 23, 2002 Newyorktimes.com. August 29, 2002 ABC Nightline. June9, 1992 Counter Punch, October 10, 2002 Riegle Report: Dual Use Exports. Senate Committee on Banking. May 25, 1994 Timeline: A walk Through Iraq's History. U.S. Department of State Doing Business: The Arming of Iraq. Daniel Robichear Glen Rangwala. Labor Left Briefing, 16 September, 2002 Financial Times of London. July 3, 1991 Elson E. Boles. Counter Punch. October 10, 2002 Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988. Iranchamber.com Columbia Journalism Review. March/April 1993. Iraqgate Times Online. December 31, 2002. How U.S. Helped Iraq Build Deadly Arsenal Bush's Secret Mission. The New Yorker Magazine. November 2, 1992 Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia: Iran-Contra Affair Congressional Record. July 27, 1992. Representative Henry B. Gonzalez Bob Woodward. CIA Aiding Iraq in Gulf War. Washington Post. 15 December, 1986 Case Study: The Anfal Campaign. www.gendercide.com -- "Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
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