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Article #4607Re: Police "de-infest areas where gays congregate"
From: Otto Graham's Cleats
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:01
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:01
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"Recriminalize Gays" <anon@anon.anon> wrote in message news:85YLGW9940166.4980439815@reece.net.au... > Kick their dirty disease carrying asses clear out of the state. > Send them to a gay loving state who wants the loathsome creeps. > > http://www.q-notes.com/4632/james-police-de-infest-areas-where- > gays-congregate/ > > CHARLOTTE - Two area LGBT youth service and advocacy groups are > condemning an anti-gay slur and other comments made by > Republican Mecklenburg County Commissioner Bill James, and > demanding an immediate reprimand of his actions at the Dec. 15 > commissioners meeting in which domestic partner benefits were > approved for same-sex partners of county employees. > > The groups' strong statement comes as more comments from James > are made public, including his assertion that police are working > to "de-infest" areas where gays "congregate." > > On Dec. 17, the local Time Out Youth and national, Charlotte- > based Campus Pride released a joint statement condemning James' > comments following Democrat Commissioner Vilma Leake's personal > and passionate story about her son's 1993 death to AIDS. After > she spoke, James leaned over to her and asked, "Your son was a > homo, really?" > > "Commissioner Bill James' remarks are nothing but intolerant and > harmful to our area youth," said Steve Bentley, executive > director of Time Out Youth. "There is no reason why a young > LGBTQ person should have to hear such disdain and hateful > rhetoric from a public official who is elected to represent > them." > > Time Out Youth, founded in the early 1990s, is a support, > services and advocacy organization for LGBT youth ages 13-23. > > Bentley added, "There are young people who are victims of > depression and even suicide because of hateful slurs and > comments like that of Commissioner James. Elected leaders are > expected to be positive role models for our youth. We need to > hold Commissioner James accountable for his actions." > > Campus Pride, a national organization for LGBT college students, > released comments in the same statement. > > "Commissioner Bill James crossed the line with his anti-LGBT > remarks. Once again, he has made a desperate bid for attention > in a public board meeting at the price of others," said Campus > Pride Executive Director Shane Windmeyer. "More and more, fair > minded citizens believe that there's no place for this kind of > bigotry. Commissioner James needs to apologize to Commissioner > Leake for his comments and we demand an immediate reprimand for > his abhorrent actions at the public meeting." > > Windmeyer said the repercussions of anti-gay language toward > LGBT youth "are immeasurable." He said Mecklenburg County and > Charlotte "deserve public officials who can show a modicum of > respect for the office they hold and demonstrate civility for > all people in public discourse." > > Bentley's and Windmeyer's organizations are demanding an > immediate reprimand of James by the Mecklenburg County Board of > Commissioners. > > The controversy surroundings James' comments has continued > throughout the week as the GOP commissioner told media he would > not apologize for his remarks. In a statement emailed to > Charlotte Observer editorial staff, James said he was simply > asking Leake to clarify her statements about her son, that his > comments weren't meant to be derogatory and that "homo" was a > slang word he used when growing up. > > "People can believe whatever they want, they can believe in the > tooth fairy and legend of Atlantis," James said. "I don't > determine what I do based on what people think. I determine it > based on what I did and what I did was I asked a question and > that question doesn't deserve or require an apology." > > Commission Chair Jennifer Roberts told Q-Notes that reprimand is > an option on the table, although she's uncertain what that might > look like. > > "I'm not sure what real disciplinary action we could take . what > I think we can do is some kind of reprimand," she said. "I've > got to think about the terminology to be used. We can make some > kind of statement that clearly indicates this type of behavior - > in terms of calling names in the public, on the microphone after > a fellow commissioner has been so passionate and emotional - is > inappropriate and sets a bad example and we will not tolerate > it. That is the kind of thing we can do." > > Roberts added, "There are other terms - rebuke, reprimand. I'm > not sure calling it something different has any different, > practical effect." > > In an email to a Charlotte resident, James made the argument > that homosexual behavior was still illegal, and that police are > "de-infesting" areas where gays congregate. > > James wrote: "Homosexual conduct is illegal in NC (even after > Lawrence V Texas). We arrest 250 homosexuals each year in > Mecklenburg alone for either a 'crime against nature' or > 'solicitation of a crime against nature'. Unlike prostitution > (exchanging money), even suggesting homosexual sex is a criminal > offense in NC. If we were all that 'progressive' would we be > arresting 250 homosexuals a year? Setting up sting operations to > de-infest areas where they congregate? Point is, if you want to > delude yourself that homosexual conduct is 'ok' go ahead. The > law, the police and the DA however have a different view." > > The Charlotte resident, who admits his initial email to James > was a bit harsh, was shocked to see the commissioner's response. > > "I know my original e mail was harsh, but it was in no way > threatening - I find his abusive, threatening, and ignorant," > the resident said in an email to Q-Notes. > > Q-Notes asked James about his use of the word "de-infest" and if > he saw how it might be offensive to LGBT people. > > James responded: "I think that if you're someone who is > homosexual and you believe that you are born that way and have > every right to engage in that behavior, I think the offensive > thing, I would surmise, is not the word 'infest' or 'de-infest' > but the fact that the police are actually doing the sting > operations. We can parse words - what phrase should I have used? > But the central question for most people is not what particular > term got used but whether the action was occurring. Was I > accurate in saying there are these sting operations going on and > those sting operations - whatever term you want to use - target > homosexual men? That is why the county took and spent > significant amounts of money to rework the park to take out > certain landscaping things to prevent, once the sting operations > cleared them out, prevent them from re-congregating - or re- > infesting if you use my original term." > > James said he is a proponent of rigorous debate, but thinks LGBT > rights opponents are "dancing around the subject" of the law. > > "When someone trots out Lawrence v. Texas, I trot out the arrest > statistics," he said. "I say if Lawrence v. Texas is the law of > the land, why are there all these arrests? And that ends the > discussion usually." > > The Supreme Court's decision in Lawrence v. Texas (2003) struck > down the use of "crimes against nature" laws to prosecute > private sexual behavior between consenting adults, although it > is still used in cases involving public sex, prostitution, child > abuse and domestic violence, rape and bestiality. The "crimes > against nature" law remains on the books in North Carolina and, > despite the 2003 Supreme Court decision, has been incorrectly > used to charge consenting adults engaging in private, sexual > behavior. > > > Too bad we can't "de-infest" our country of all of these bigoted right-wing morons.
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X-Google-Thread: a79bafa933,80b3f755ce080a91 X-Google-Attributes: gida79bafa933,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!188.40.43.213.MISMATCH!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail From: "Otto Graham's Cleats" <otto@cleats.org> Newsgroups: dfw.general,austin.general,alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys Subject: Re: Police "de-infest areas where gays congregate" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:01:28 -0800 Organization: Canton HOF Lines: 162 Message-ID: <hghj7a$brj$1@news.eternal-september.org> References: <85YLGW9940166.4980439815@reece.net.au> Reply-To: "Otto Graham's Cleats" <otto@cleats.org> X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX1+Le5uNz4oI62sb+WWrc/nLmSpL23c/cUCjaiqm9Hfp54H5ymcD9lbX5lQLFMhxoRCzI9fYI5YsTnPMxMEJf5/gwUht0aRGsGWqhOyncZDGsny68Bch//1mNyOA+xb10TG0EUTZ8hqt5w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@eternal-september.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:01:47 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19o0Czki+K6fRdqr1K6AR8CWcjz/IhMEml7bth1fNhFPQ== Cancel-Lock: sha1:kC7ruzr96sY2sV7e4GfdaA0ujO8= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal