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Article #4613Re: Police "de-infest areas where gays congregate"
From: Ivan Skavinsky Skavar
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:39
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:39
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In article <hghj7a$brj$1@news.eternal-september.org>, "Otto Graham's Cleats" <otto@cleats.org> wrote: > "Recriminalize Gays" <anon@anon.anon> wrote in message > news:85YLGW9940166.4980439815@reece.net.au... > > Kick their dirty disease carrying asses clear out of the state. > > Send them to a gay loving state who wants the loathsome creeps. > > > > http://www.q-notes.com/4632/james-police-de-infest-areas-where- > > gays-congregate/ > > > > CHARLOTTE - Two area LGBT youth service and advocacy groups are > > condemning an anti-gay slur and other comments made by > > Republican Mecklenburg County Commissioner Bill James, and > > demanding an immediate reprimand of his actions at the Dec. 15 > > commissioners meeting in which domestic partner benefits were > > approved for same-sex partners of county employees. > > > > The groups' strong statement comes as more comments from James > > are made public, including his assertion that police are working > > to "de-infest" areas where gays "congregate." > > > > On Dec. 17, the local Time Out Youth and national, Charlotte- > > based Campus Pride released a joint statement condemning James' > > comments following Democrat Commissioner Vilma Leake's personal > > and passionate story about her son's 1993 death to AIDS. After > > she spoke, James leaned over to her and asked, "Your son was a > > homo, really?" > > > > "Commissioner Bill James' remarks are nothing but intolerant and > > harmful to our area youth," said Steve Bentley, executive > > director of Time Out Youth. "There is no reason why a young > > LGBTQ person should have to hear such disdain and hateful > > rhetoric from a public official who is elected to represent > > them." > > > > Time Out Youth, founded in the early 1990s, is a support, > > services and advocacy organization for LGBT youth ages 13-23. > > > > Bentley added, "There are young people who are victims of > > depression and even suicide because of hateful slurs and > > comments like that of Commissioner James. Elected leaders are > > expected to be positive role models for our youth. We need to > > hold Commissioner James accountable for his actions." > > > > Campus Pride, a national organization for LGBT college students, > > released comments in the same statement. > > > > "Commissioner Bill James crossed the line with his anti-LGBT > > remarks. Once again, he has made a desperate bid for attention > > in a public board meeting at the price of others," said Campus > > Pride Executive Director Shane Windmeyer. "More and more, fair > > minded citizens believe that there's no place for this kind of > > bigotry. Commissioner James needs to apologize to Commissioner > > Leake for his comments and we demand an immediate reprimand for > > his abhorrent actions at the public meeting." > > > > Windmeyer said the repercussions of anti-gay language toward > > LGBT youth "are immeasurable." He said Mecklenburg County and > > Charlotte "deserve public officials who can show a modicum of > > respect for the office they hold and demonstrate civility for > > all people in public discourse." > > > > Bentley's and Windmeyer's organizations are demanding an > > immediate reprimand of James by the Mecklenburg County Board of > > Commissioners. > > > > The controversy surroundings James' comments has continued > > throughout the week as the GOP commissioner told media he would > > not apologize for his remarks. In a statement emailed to > > Charlotte Observer editorial staff, James said he was simply > > asking Leake to clarify her statements about her son, that his > > comments weren't meant to be derogatory and that "homo" was a > > slang word he used when growing up. > > > > "People can believe whatever they want, they can believe in the > > tooth fairy and legend of Atlantis," James said. "I don't > > determine what I do based on what people think. I determine it > > based on what I did and what I did was I asked a question and > > that question doesn't deserve or require an apology." > > > > Commission Chair Jennifer Roberts told Q-Notes that reprimand is > > an option on the table, although she's uncertain what that might > > look like. > > > > "I'm not sure what real disciplinary action we could take . what > > I think we can do is some kind of reprimand," she said. "I've > > got to think about the terminology to be used. We can make some > > kind of statement that clearly indicates this type of behavior - > > in terms of calling names in the public, on the microphone after > > a fellow commissioner has been so passionate and emotional - is > > inappropriate and sets a bad example and we will not tolerate > > it. That is the kind of thing we can do." > > > > Roberts added, "There are other terms - rebuke, reprimand. I'm > > not sure calling it something different has any different, > > practical effect." > > > > In an email to a Charlotte resident, James made the argument > > that homosexual behavior was still illegal, and that police are > > "de-infesting" areas where gays congregate. > > > > James wrote: "Homosexual conduct is illegal in NC (even after > > Lawrence V Texas). We arrest 250 homosexuals each year in > > Mecklenburg alone for either a 'crime against nature' or > > 'solicitation of a crime against nature'. Unlike prostitution > > (exchanging money), even suggesting homosexual sex is a criminal > > offense in NC. If we were all that 'progressive' would we be > > arresting 250 homosexuals a year? Setting up sting operations to > > de-infest areas where they congregate? Point is, if you want to > > delude yourself that homosexual conduct is 'ok' go ahead. The > > law, the police and the DA however have a different view." > > > > The Charlotte resident, who admits his initial email to James > > was a bit harsh, was shocked to see the commissioner's response. > > > > "I know my original e mail was harsh, but it was in no way > > threatening - I find his abusive, threatening, and ignorant," > > the resident said in an email to Q-Notes. > > > > Q-Notes asked James about his use of the word "de-infest" and if > > he saw how it might be offensive to LGBT people. > > > > James responded: "I think that if you're someone who is > > homosexual and you believe that you are born that way and have > > every right to engage in that behavior, I think the offensive > > thing, I would surmise, is not the word 'infest' or 'de-infest' > > but the fact that the police are actually doing the sting > > operations. We can parse words - what phrase should I have used? > > But the central question for most people is not what particular > > term got used but whether the action was occurring. Was I > > accurate in saying there are these sting operations going on and > > those sting operations - whatever term you want to use - target > > homosexual men? That is why the county took and spent > > significant amounts of money to rework the park to take out > > certain landscaping things to prevent, once the sting operations > > cleared them out, prevent them from re-congregating - or re- > > infesting if you use my original term." > > > > James said he is a proponent of rigorous debate, but thinks LGBT > > rights opponents are "dancing around the subject" of the law. > > > > "When someone trots out Lawrence v. Texas, I trot out the arrest > > statistics," he said. "I say if Lawrence v. Texas is the law of > > the land, why are there all these arrests? And that ends the > > discussion usually." > > > > The Supreme Court's decision in Lawrence v. Texas (2003) struck > > down the use of "crimes against nature" laws to prosecute > > private sexual behavior between consenting adults, although it > > is still used in cases involving public sex, prostitution, child > > abuse and domestic violence, rape and bestiality. The "crimes > > against nature" law remains on the books in North Carolina and, > > despite the 2003 Supreme Court decision, has been incorrectly > > used to charge consenting adults engaging in private, sexual > > behavior. > > > > > > > > Too bad we can't "de-infest" our country of all of these bigoted right-wing > morons. Who would provide all the jobs and tax money then?
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