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In article <hgkafo$lkb$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
 "Otto Graham's Cleats" <AutomaticOtto@browns.org> wrote:

> "Ivan Skavinsky Skavar" <Ivan@borscht.com> wrote in message 
> news:Ivan-F4E43F.11390419122009@news-wc.giganews.com...
> > In article <hghj7a$brj$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "Otto Graham's Cleats" <otto@cleats.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "Recriminalize Gays" <anon@anon.anon> wrote in message
> >> news:85YLGW9940166.4980439815@reece.net.au...
> >> > Kick their dirty disease carrying asses clear out of the state.
> >> > Send them to a gay loving state who wants the loathsome creeps.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.q-notes.com/4632/james-police-de-infest-areas-where-
> >> > gays-congregate/
> >> >
> >> > CHARLOTTE - Two area LGBT youth service and advocacy groups are
> >> > condemning an anti-gay slur and other comments made by
> >> > Republican Mecklenburg County Commissioner Bill James, and
> >> > demanding an immediate reprimand of his actions at the Dec. 15
> >> > commissioners meeting in which domestic partner benefits were
> >> > approved for same-sex partners of county employees.
> >> >
> >> > The groups' strong statement comes as more comments from James
> >> > are made public, including his assertion that police are working
> >> > to "de-infest" areas where gays "congregate."
> >> >
> >> > On Dec. 17, the local Time Out Youth and national, Charlotte-
> >> > based Campus Pride released a joint statement condemning James'
> >> > comments following Democrat Commissioner Vilma Leake's personal
> >> > and passionate story about her son's 1993 death to AIDS. After
> >> > she spoke, James leaned over to her and asked, "Your son was a
> >> > homo, really?"
> >> >
> >> > "Commissioner Bill James' remarks are nothing but intolerant and
> >> > harmful to our area youth," said Steve Bentley, executive
> >> > director of Time Out Youth. "There is no reason why a young
> >> > LGBTQ person should have to hear such disdain and hateful
> >> > rhetoric from a public official who is elected to represent
> >> > them."
> >> >
> >> > Time Out Youth, founded in the early 1990s, is a support,
> >> > services and advocacy organization for LGBT youth ages 13-23.
> >> >
> >> > Bentley added, "There are young people who are victims of
> >> > depression and even suicide because of hateful slurs and
> >> > comments like that of Commissioner James. Elected leaders are
> >> > expected to be positive role models for our youth. We need to
> >> > hold Commissioner James accountable for his actions."
> >> >
> >> > Campus Pride, a national organization for LGBT college students,
> >> > released comments in the same statement.
> >> >
> >> > "Commissioner Bill James crossed the line with his anti-LGBT
> >> > remarks. Once again, he has made a desperate bid for attention
> >> > in a public board meeting at the price of others," said Campus
> >> > Pride Executive Director Shane Windmeyer. "More and more, fair
> >> > minded citizens believe that there's no place for this kind of
> >> > bigotry. Commissioner James needs to apologize to Commissioner
> >> > Leake for his comments and we demand an immediate reprimand for
> >> > his abhorrent actions at the public meeting."
> >> >
> >> > Windmeyer said the repercussions of anti-gay language toward
> >> > LGBT youth "are immeasurable." He said Mecklenburg County and
> >> > Charlotte "deserve public officials who can show a modicum of
> >> > respect for the office they hold and demonstrate civility for
> >> > all people in public discourse."
> >> >
> >> > Bentley's and Windmeyer's organizations are demanding an
> >> > immediate reprimand of James by the Mecklenburg County Board of
> >> > Commissioners.
> >> >
> >> > The controversy surroundings James' comments has continued
> >> > throughout the week as the GOP commissioner told media he would
> >> > not apologize for his remarks. In a statement emailed to
> >> > Charlotte Observer editorial staff, James said he was simply
> >> > asking Leake to clarify her statements about her son, that his
> >> > comments weren't meant to be derogatory and that "homo" was a
> >> > slang word he used when growing up.
> >> >
> >> > "People can believe whatever they want, they can believe in the
> >> > tooth fairy and legend of Atlantis," James said. "I don't
> >> > determine what I do based on what people think. I determine it
> >> > based on what I did and what I did was I asked a question and
> >> > that question doesn't deserve or require an apology."
> >> >
> >> > Commission Chair Jennifer Roberts told Q-Notes that reprimand is
> >> > an option on the table, although she's uncertain what that might
> >> > look like.
> >> >
> >> > "I'm not sure what real disciplinary action we could take . what
> >> > I think we can do is some kind of reprimand," she said. "I've
> >> > got to think about the terminology to be used. We can make some
> >> > kind of statement that clearly indicates this type of behavior -
> >> > in terms of calling names in the public, on the microphone after
> >> > a fellow commissioner has been so passionate and emotional - is
> >> > inappropriate and sets a bad example and we will not tolerate
> >> > it. That is the kind of thing we can do."
> >> >
> >> > Roberts added, "There are other terms - rebuke, reprimand. I'm
> >> > not sure calling it something different has any different,
> >> > practical effect."
> >> >
> >> > In an email to a Charlotte resident, James made the argument
> >> > that homosexual behavior was still illegal, and that police are
> >> > "de-infesting" areas where gays congregate.
> >> >
> >> > James wrote: "Homosexual conduct is illegal in NC (even after
> >> > Lawrence V Texas). We arrest 250 homosexuals each year in
> >> > Mecklenburg alone for either a 'crime against nature' or
> >> > 'solicitation of a crime against nature'. Unlike prostitution
> >> > (exchanging money), even suggesting homosexual sex is a criminal
> >> > offense in NC. If we were all that 'progressive' would we be
> >> > arresting 250 homosexuals a year? Setting up sting operations to
> >> > de-infest areas where they congregate? Point is, if you want to
> >> > delude yourself that homosexual conduct is 'ok' go ahead. The
> >> > law, the police and the DA however have a different view."
> >> >
> >> > The Charlotte resident, who admits his initial email to James
> >> > was a bit harsh, was shocked to see the commissioner's response.
> >> >
> >> > "I know my original e mail was harsh, but it was in no way
> >> > threatening - I find his abusive, threatening, and ignorant,"
> >> > the resident said in an email to Q-Notes.
> >> >
> >> > Q-Notes asked James about his use of the word "de-infest" and if
> >> > he saw how it might be offensive to LGBT people.
> >> >
> >> > James responded: "I think that if you're someone who is
> >> > homosexual and you believe that you are born that way and have
> >> > every right to engage in that behavior, I think the offensive
> >> > thing, I would surmise, is not the word 'infest' or 'de-infest'
> >> > but the fact that the police are actually doing the sting
> >> > operations. We can parse words - what phrase should I have used?
> >> > But the central question for most people is not what particular
> >> > term got used but whether the action was occurring. Was I
> >> > accurate in saying there are these sting operations going on and
> >> > those sting operations - whatever term you want to use - target
> >> > homosexual men? That is why the county took and spent
> >> > significant amounts of money to rework the park to take out
> >> > certain landscaping things to prevent, once the sting operations
> >> > cleared them out, prevent them from re-congregating - or re-
> >> > infesting if you use my original term."
> >> >
> >> > James said he is a proponent of rigorous debate, but thinks LGBT
> >> > rights opponents are "dancing around the subject" of the law.
> >> >
> >> > "When someone trots out Lawrence v. Texas, I trot out the arrest
> >> > statistics," he said. "I say if Lawrence v. Texas is the law of
> >> > the land, why are there all these arrests? And that ends the
> >> > discussion usually."
> >> >
> >> > The Supreme Court's decision in Lawrence v. Texas (2003) struck
> >> > down the use of "crimes against nature" laws to prosecute
> >> > private sexual behavior between consenting adults, although it
> >> > is still used in cases involving public sex, prostitution, child
> >> > abuse and domestic violence, rape and bestiality. The "crimes
> >> > against nature" law remains on the books in North Carolina and,
> >> > despite the 2003 Supreme Court decision, has been incorrectly
> >> > used to charge consenting adults engaging in private, sexual
> >> > behavior.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Too bad we can't "de-infest" our country of all of these bigoted 
> >> right-wing
> >> morons.
> >
> > Who would provide all the jobs and tax money then?
> 
> What your mom makes a night slinging her skanky ass around town could cover 
> the nut, Ivan.

Awww, that's cute.


> Besides, you use a fucking iJobs computer COMMIE BOY. Fucking socialists 
> bastards. You DO know that for all of his so-called leftist ideals that 
> iJobs just LOVES the Fabians, don't you?

I like Nazi cars too!

 
> It's like I've always said, the real commies and pinkos are hiding out in 
> the right-wing of the Repubitard Party. Skull and Bones, Cecil Rhodes, the 
> Fabians, Bush-Walker are "enlightened" right-wingers all.

Does it hurt?
 
> If you were any kind of real American that loved his country at all, you'd 
> be using Microscholk like most of us do. But then again, and apparent by 
> your choice in computers, you're nothing more than a "'leftist tool."

You fascists are always so angry at the unseen, all-powerful class which 
keeps you under the boot. Ever try looking in the mirror?