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"Tracey-Levin" <tracey12@hotbot.com> wrote in message
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> Olin Murrell wrote:
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> > "Tracey-Levin" <tracey12@hotbot.com> wrote in message
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> > > Olin Murrell wrote:
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> > > > "Tracey-Levin" <tracey12@hotbot.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:39B5EF99.A965638F@hotbot.com...
> > > > > Republicans have controlled Congress now for how many years?
> > > > >
> > > > > What year did Republicans take control of Congress?
> > > > >
> > > > > What was the Dow Jones Industrial Average on Dec. 31 of that year?
> > > > >
> > > > > What was the Dow Jones at the close of the day today?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you find it interesting that the Dow has risen so high during
the
> > time
> > > > > Congress has been under the control of Republicans?
> > > > >
> > > > > To answer your question, when did the GOP borrow and spend?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Really don't recall RR's trillion dollar deficit baloon, do you?
> > >
> > > I recall that Ronaldous Magnus had a fairly large deficit as a result
of
> > trying
> > > to rebuild the US military after one Jimmy Carter (Socialist) pulled a
> > Clinton.
> > >
> >
> > You tend to forget Republican military cutbacks... but what else is new?
> >
> > > It isc about to happen again for the same reason.
> > >
> >
> > You mean, Jimmy Carter cut the military again?
> >
> > > Of course, this time the US military build up will not cause economic
> > disaster
> > > in Russia leading to the downfall of the commie empire/ evil empire.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, give me a break! Russia was about to fall from its own weight
anyway. It
> > was so over-extended, from not only its own empirical notions, but from
a
> > cold war waged by a long succession of US presidents before RR. It
merely
> > came on his watch.
> >
>
>     Thats funny.  I talk with democrats all day who are ready to give
clinton
> the blame for this economy even though he had little, or no influence over
its
> growth.
> Yet, you are ready to strip Ronnie RayGuns of his honor.  If Jimmy Carter
had
> won the election, would the Ruskies have feared him as much as they did
Ronald
> Reagan?  Hardly.  And while we moved forward on SDI, the Ruskies were
crumbling
> from within.  Simply, the communists could not keep up.
>

You miss the entire point. I'm not willing to give Reagan OR Clinton all
that much blame OR credit for an economy, OR the collapse of communism. The
simple fact is, they just happen to be sitting in the catbird seat when
good/bad things happen.

Fear of an American president is useful, really only in time of open
warfare. Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, would all likely have used ultimate
force (did, in point of fact), while Nixon (and maybe Carter) could be
described as posers, issuing mostly empty threats.

This was widely known as the Mutually Assured Destruction theory, and even
Kissinger told Nixon he was not feared because the "enemy" simply didn't
believe him.

>
> >
> > And even then, some pretty high-placed and rather conservative military
> > strategists warned that world might not necessarily be any safer with
Russia
> > out of the picture, and global events since that collapse sort of tend
to
> > bear out the truth of their predictions.
>
> That would only be true if they are selling fissionable materials, or
ready made
> nuclear bombs.
>

Sigh. That has nothing to do with it. Take even a cursory look at the former
Russian satellite nations that they used primarily as stalking horses during
various periods of the cold war. Even in the darkest part of her heart,
Russia had about as little interest in a global nuclear conflict as did the
US, yet any third-rate tin-star, third-world dictator can get their hands on
a nuke, or chemical weapons and use 'em... clearly shown by one Sadaam
Hussein, and HE wasn't even a Russian puppet. He was OUR puppet.

Yeah, he used only his chem weapons, and rather badly at that, but what the
strategists were worried about, and what I think history has shown is, that
without the presence of at least a minimal "control" from Moscow, those
former satellite nations are even more dangerous.