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Davie wrote:
> 
> Olin Murrell wrote:
> 
> > The result? Communism will likely rear its head again there, and the
> > best you can do is spout some tired old bible story about Russia
> > attacking Israel; and speculating that the only way that prophecy can
> > come true is for Russia to re-embrace Communism? Now, THAT's sad.
> 
>   Its interesting how the tired old bear is coming out of hibernation!
> 
>   The problem is that there is a huge battle raging between two
> different mindsets.  One states that the people must be free even free
> enough abolish their own selfimposed government and start over should it
> become corrupt.
>   The other mindset states that government knows best how to control the
> lives of people and their children, their businesses etc. From this
> perspective, freedom is not the primary concern, but a socialistic
> concept of fairness imposed upon the people by a god like, authoritarian
> government.
> 

Excuse me, but the "tired old bear" never went into hibernation. Russian
Communism fell, and got replaced with capitalism, with little or no help
from the so-called free world, and the corruption that already existed
simply took over. David A., or Davie, or David, or Dave (whatever you
wish to call yourself), it is painfully obvious you know less about
Russia than the average Russian knows about the united States.

Seems to me, our best interest has actually been served by a strong
Russia, even one that, on the surface at least, was our sworn enemy.
Now, I don't know about you, but I think I'd rather we'd have helped
them ease into democracy, rather than have them just thrown into it,
willy nilly, not at all unlike a kid left alone in a candy store.

If you think the old hard-line Communist leaders were "left wingers,"
you're even a bigger fool than I ever took you for. But, it's also
painfully obvious you have no clue what socialism really means.

Just for you, it means ordering a society, and excuse the heck out of
me, but it would appear your precious right wing of American Politics
sure wants to "order" this society to THEIR particular way of thinking.

>   Freedom of the people is the only concept that has inspired man to do
> better.  Look at the old, tired, polluted formerly communist nations of
> the eastern bloc. They could not keep up with the intelligence, and
> productivity of the USA and western Europe because their people were not
> free.  Their people had no desire to do better because they knew that
> government would hold them in check no matter how hard they tried to
> move ahead.

Have you ever been there? I seriously doubt it. I have, just to see for
myself what it really might be like. Hardly a "workers' paradise," but
also hardly the collection of three-eyed monsters we've been led to
believe populate the place.

>   The National Socialist party, formerly known as the Democratic party
> seeks to retry those tired old Marxist concepts here in the USA, but
> they will not succeed.  America has seen the ways of the National
> Socialist party, and they were not impressed.  In 1994, we turned them
> out of Congress and we will be back next year to finish the job!

So we can have the National Socialist Party, formerly known as the
Republican Party? I have a LOT more faith in the electorate than that,
and I don't have much faith in us at all, to be brutally honest. Even at
its wildest, the Democratic Party was held in check by the
counter-balancing effect of the loyal opposition Republicans, but from
what I've seen, up close and first hand my fellow citizen, that side of
the aisle has a large contingent of members who will brooke NO
dissention whatsoever.

Ugly though it may be, leave me a strong two party system, so NEITHER
side of the aisle ever gets total control of the reins of power.

-- 
Olin Murrell
Austin, Texas
http://www.realtime.com/~olin