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Davie wrote:
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>   Oh yes, you are correct.  I have been counting the days untill we turn
> on CNN, or rather FOX and find that a civil war has begun once again and
> that the commies have regained control.  In the Bible, John tells us
> that what appears to be Russia, will attack Israel.  For this to happen,
> Russia will have to return to its old ways of communism.  Of course, we
> will hear the evening news commies tell us about the evils of capitalism
> and how the west must become more enlightened.

Like I said, "some of us" cannot bear to live with Russia no longer
being an enemy. I'm not saying the United States should have, or should
still contribute more to the bringing of Russia into the realm of
rational friendship among nations, but the fact is, what we actually did
when Communism fell, was provide lip service and congratulations, and
precious little else.

And, unless you've been sleeping a LOT more than the rest of us,
capitalism does have its "evil side." Unchecked business gave us sweat
shops, long work hours, low wages, absolute control over private lives
by business owners, and significant segments of the population locked
out of the opportunity to get ahead. Rabid free market advocates like to
think that business ownership and management are the ONLY aspects of
free market economics, and that any time the rabble (i.e., workers by
any other name) starts to ask for more of the pie (that it damned sure
helped build), whines of socialism and communism abound.

The bottom line is, employees are a significant part of the free market,
and their wages are a reflection of what the market will bear, no less
than product prices, and owner profits.

In the former Soviet Union, those concepts were largely ignored by the
black market forces there, AND the foreign capitalists who came riding
in on the Western White Horses to "save the day."

The result? Communism will likely rear its head again there, and the
best you can do is spout some tired old bible story about Russia
attacking Israel; and speculating that the only way that prophecy can
come true is for Russia to re-embrace Communism? Now, THAT's sad.

>   Concerning the suitcase bombs, my information could have been wrong
> concering their overall yeild.  I am looking for more current data on
> them to verify whether their yeild will is 60-100 kilotons, or something
> lower.

60-100 kilotons may have been the TOTAL yield.

>   Nuclear weapons are promote a more peaceful world, for without them,
> Western Europe would now speak Russian.  Yet, here again, many on the
> left want to institute world government to set the rules.
> 

Oh, give me a break. There IS a reasonable argument that the presence of
nukes have kept the world from another WWII style conflagration, but not
much more. And, lay off that tripe about the 'one world government'
concept being a left wing trap. The right wing would, at least as much,
like to see a single government with THEM in control.

>   With Russia moving towards a communist state along with the fact that
> China is still strongly communist, we have no reason to believe that we
> live in a more secure world.  As we have seen before, communists are
> willing lie to their mothers if it will promote the good of the state.
> We cannot disarm the West because we cannot trust the East.  This will
> never change.  We must always be prepared.  M.A.D. is probably the only
> way to stop communist aggression.

M.A.D is what it's always been... Mutually Assured Destruction, with
emphasis on destruction. And, if you'll read a little contemporary
history, you'll find that China, too, is moving away from Communism.
Perhaps not as fast as some would like, but the direction is decidedly
away.

> In 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down, soviet communists did not
> disappear.

Just gotta have that evil Commie Bear under your bed, don't you?

-- 
Olin Murrell
Austin, Texas
http://www.realtime.com/~olin