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Article #8174Re: Freedom is Fragile (It erodes quickly)
From: Len
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:32
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:32
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>>>> This goes a tad beyond `free speech'. Sounds like the free speech of >>>> Marxist activists to me. >> >>>So you're saying that speech should be free unless you disagree with it? >> >>You make a good point. >>Try talking about homosexuality and how it is detrimental to personal >>health, psychological well being, social structure and moral >>integrity. Try that in a school setting as a parent, student or >>teacher. > >You attempt to make a point and fail. You are probably right. I failed with you. Or you missed the point? Naw, I failed with you is easier. >What you allude to is >propaganda in the guise of `teaching'. Fast and lose with rhetoric? Is not all teaching "propaganda" if you want it to be? Hint: yes, when one has that agenda in mind. >There is nothing to prevent >criticism of such remarks. There is the gay and lesbian alliance and trans gender lobbies across the nation and at least in every major city, and many smaller cities with the "correct" demographics. The lobbies of such are quite vocal, along with well "intentioned" state boards that "practice tolerance" and "diversity". >There is nothing to prevent a schoolboard >from firing such a `teacher' if they are unhappy with his/her work. BWHAHAHAHA. I see you have not been in contact with ANY such governmental agency. Or at least none in California. It is easier to beat a murder wrap than fire a state employee. And that is if that same employee murdered the boss! >There is nothing to prevent a community from demanding action be >taken. Well, we disagree here. Try http://www.pacificlegal.org/ for starters. They began with fighting schools that wish to impose their "understanding" of the education code. They got SO busy they couldn't keep up with the demands of just plain folks, like parents. They've grown in the last five years so fast, if they were a stock they would be through the roof. THey've expanded services as they HAD to just to keep up with OUR GOVERNMENT and other NGO entities! > You are no where given freedom from criticism. Along with >`freedom' of speech goes responsibility for what is said. Understood. Tolerance and the ability to be civil is a dying art . So many wish simply to shout down the quietude. Criticism means something other than 'critical', but then gone is the gentility of our past collective experience. As we reinterpret the past and fractionalize Americans into marginal victims and their "rights".
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10a942,a900bab25650daf2 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a942,public X-Google-Thread: 10675b,a900bab25650daf2 X-Google-Attributes: gid10675b,public X-Google-Thread: 10e835,a900bab25650daf2 X-Google-Attributes: gid10e835,public X-Google-Thread: 109097,a900bab25650daf2 X-Google-Attributes: gid109097,public X-Google-Thread: 104ad1,a900bab25650daf2 X-Google-Attributes: gid104ad1,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-12-26 19:35:06 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!sjc70.webusenet.com!sjc72.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Len <len@sonic.net> Newsgroups: dfw.general,nyc.general,chi.general,houston.general,alt.california Subject: Re: Freedom is Fragile (It erodes quickly) Message-ID: <toupuv44q40n3cel7labbu92is1kc9bnil@4ax.com> References: <Xns94577D85A8DBEjptusa@204.127.204.17> <1a559fac.0312220654.4ea059a7@posting.google.com> <ebeguv42a4uhu2hsecm2b9lfgo64nhgbam@4ax.com> <ptbiuv4rk6n4mmn9p2mae8ss40gg03qc6q@4ax.com> <in6juv8p5o1uop8loa6hgkqknp08rg01eu@4ax.com> <v6djuvga4kt0kcgic1g3r7mc4glfdrob1o@4ax.com> <1a559fac.0312241208.2f9a7c3@posting.google.com> <38ckuv8ht1fosms5u8e1kcjigu7e0kvph5@4ax.com> <nk1muv02n8ml52g5a14s4far18r7eju2rl@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 59 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 03:32:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.105.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1072495944 209.148.105.103 (Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:32:24 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:32:24 PST