Re: Deranged, Disconnected, and Dangerous

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From: SteveR
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 01:48

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In article <Xns97A6BCDFB96D6LadyLibertarianFreeW@216.196.97.142>,
 Lady Libertarian <Lady_Libertarian@FreeWorld.xtx> wrote:

> SteveR <tex_driver@comcast.net>  wrote :
> 
> > In article <JYKdncQJYuUhgKbZRVn-sw@forethought.net>,
> >  Lady Libertarian <Lady_Libertarian@FreeWorld.xxx> wrote:
> > 
> >> SteveR <tex_driver@comcast.net>  wrote :
> >> 
> >> > In article
> >> > <yOudnfDxx-IO7aTZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@forethought.net>, 
> >> >  Lady Libertarian <Lady_Libertarian@FreeWorld.xxx> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Libertarianism is the only political philosophy with an
> >> >> objective defining principle ( the non-initiation of force
> >> >> principle ), that doesn't drift all over the place with
> >> >> the whims of the masses.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > What exactly does "the non-initiation of force principle"
> >> > mean? No cops? 
> >> 
> >> So simple yet so hard for coercive collectivists to
> >> understand. 
> >> 
> >> "Who is a libertarian?
> >> A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the
> >> right, under any circumstances, to ***initiate*** force
> >> against another human being, or to advocate or delegate its
> >> initiation. 
> > 
> > Paul Revere was what?
> > 
> > 
> >> Those who 
> >> act consistently with this principle are libertarians,
> >> whether they realize it or not. Those who fail to act
> >> consistently with it are not libertarians, regardless of what
> >> they may claim." -- L. Neil Smith.
> > 
> > I was unaware libertarians were pacifists.
> 
> Who said they were?

Some of them.
> 
> >> It sounds simple yet the implications are profound.
> >> 
> >> It would mean you'd have to implement voluntary government:
> >> Only the amount of government that the people would willingly
> >> support, and that wasn't allowed to initiate force.
> > 
> > 
> > A government that cannot initiate force is anarchy.
> 
> Not true, it would be a libertarian government.
> 
> You're just using the usual smear tactics.

I'm not eager to smear libertarians, not my intent.

I just find them disjointed, and while I admire some tenets, I just 
don't see a groundswell of support because they are perceived as 
unfocused, and therefore flaky. I think that's undeserved, but I 
recognize what popular perception is.

> 
> > It's what
> > the law is and how it's enforced that are key.
> 
> The key to slavery and oppression.

This illustrates my view, can you make a more vapid statement to define 
the libertarian position?

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