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On 2007-07-14 12:03:34 -0400, Venger <venger@augustmail.com> said:

> Joeseph P. Blow wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:59:38 -0500, Venger <venger@augustmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> ZZZZZzzzzzz.... you know shit about freedom. Every law and regulation 
>>> reduces your freedom. You are told how many gallons of water you can 
>>> have in your toilet, how fast you can drive, when you can water your 
>>> lawn, what you can cook your french fries in, whether or not people can 
>>>  smoke in YOUR business - your freedoms are constantly eroding, and you 
>>> whinge and whine about the Patriot Act?
>> 
>> Fucking dupe?  You think you can compare water in toilet with being
>> held indefinitely, secretly without charges?
> 
> You don't mind dying from a thousand cuts, you just don't want to be 
> shot, is that it?
> 
>>> The day you ACTUALLY see one of your rights disappear - not some 
>>> esoteric "well if they thought I was a terorrist they COULD..." you let 
>>> everyone know.
>> 
>> Hint:  You won't be able to.  The patriot act says they don't have to
>> let you.
> 
> Of course they do, most of the provisions this pantwetter talks about 
> still require a court order, or are powers already extended in RICO or 
> to grand juries. Most lefties have no problem confiscating guns, the 
> only REAL tool anyone has to resist the government, or money, but 
> fuckall if the FBI can find out what books someone checked out of the 
> library, like there is some ancient Librarian-Customer confidentiality 
> tradition from the Magna Carta on down. Oh yes, can't find out what you 
> checked out, but you got NO problem asking everyone to tell the 
> government where you live, who you live with, if you have kids, how 
> much money you make, who you work for, who you donate money to, every 
> April 15th, have you ever actually LOOKED at what you are required to 
> tell the government? But Lord, if they find out I checked out Green 
> Eggs and Ham, that's the end of freedom as we know it. Assuming, of 
> course, spying on me becomes more interesting than chasing Muslim nuts 
> who might blow shit up.

As opposed to the Christian nut in the White House who actually blew a 
whole country up?

-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials