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On Nov 25, 6:57 pm, "Chris" <vscooternos...@att.net> wrote:
> "bushlyed" <bushl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0e531273-c353-430b-a19b-d5c684959fe4@x8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 25, 9:27 am, "Chris" <vscooternos...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > Killing a killer does not make us murderers anymore than shooting someone
> > in
> > self defense does.
>
> Shooting someone in self-defense is allowable only if your life is in
> imminent danger.
>
> *As long as people like that are free, we are all in imminent danger....
>

You obviously don't understand the definitioin of imminent

> > We are killing him before he can kill one of us again.
>
> Locking him up in prison for the rest of his life, which I favor,
> accomplishes the same thing
>
> *So we have to keep building prisons to hold scum like this instead of just
> killing them off and using the same room over and over again.
>

Where do we draw the line?  Europeans seem to handle this situation
quite well; indeed, Turkey is giving up capital punishment because
they want to enter the EU and that is one of the requirements.  So an
Islamic country is more advanced than we are.

> Europe seems to have done quite well without the death penalty
>
> *They don't have near the crime problems we have, possibly due to their more
> enlightened views on drug use in certain countries.
>

It is a chicken and egg argument; perhaps they don't have the crime
problems because they don't have the mentality that we have the right
to kill

> > As
> > for life in prison.....why the hell should we pay to support this piece of
> > shit for the rest of his life. I can think of much better things to do
> > with
> > my money.
>
> Executing a person is actually more costly but then money is not the
> only consideration
>
> *It is only more costly due to the neverending appeals process....it could
> be streamlined greatly with no loss of justice and then it would be a much
> cheaper alternative "My name is Earl Scheib and I can execute anyone for
> $29.95"
>

Right and what happens when you do it fast and get it wrong and
execute an innocent person

How do you correct that, how do you make that up


> I am against capital punishment because I think it is unethical
>
> *Capital punishment is only unethical if you are the one being
> punished....but then rape and murder of innocent people is also unethical.

Yes, so we committ an unethical act because someone else committed an
unethical act

> You can't treat an unethcial subhuman scumbag ethically....they don't play
> by the same rules.

And if you play by their rules, you are no fucking better than they
are.  Period.

> And unfortunately in this day and age a life sentence
> never really last their whole life....

That is not true.  California passed three strikes and there are guys
eighty years old in jail who can never get out

>so someday they will probably get out
> again and then what. Look at it this way, all humans are basically
> animals...it is the way we are born, civilization is taught to us.....some
> people can't or won't learn so they need to go back and start over again in
> the next life. Some people just aren't worth saving.
>

Next life?  Give me a break

> I am disgusted with this guy's behavior and want him punished
>
> * he won't learn and punishment won't bother him because he is incapable of
> humanity....why waste your time....just send him back to the universe and
> let it try again.
>

You are certainly wasting time arguing this.

> > And before you ask.....I am pro choice,pro gun,anti-illegal immigration,
> > anti-bush and anti-stupidity in general.....funny thing is though I am not
> > a
> > republican.
>
> No and I agree with you on most issues.  I am quite anti-bush and even
> as a liberal Democrat have no issues with people owning guns.  Indeed,
> the state with the most freedom to own guns is the very liberal
> enclave known as Vermont
>
> * And they have great ice cream. :)
>
> I know this guy is evil.  I just can't phatom a humane and advanced
> society holding a man in a room and going through a long, convoluted
> procedure to march another human being down somewhere in order to
> terminate their life
>
> * The long convoluted process is the problem...not the eventual outcome of
> it.

Again, killing for whatever reason is wrong