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"bushlyed" <bushlyed@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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On Nov 25, 6:57 pm, "Chris" <vscooternos...@att.net> wrote:
> "bushlyed" <bushl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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> On Nov 25, 9:27 am, "Chris" <vscooternos...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > Killing a killer does not make us murderers anymore than shooting 
> > someone
> > in
> > self defense does.
>
> Shooting someone in self-defense is allowable only if your life is in
> imminent danger.
>
> *As long as people like that are free, we are all in imminent danger....
>

You obviously don't understand the definitioin of imminent

*Sure I do....and I think anytime someone like this is out on the street 
there is an imminent danger of him killing someone. Just because he can't 
always do it doesn't mean he isn't trying to....


> > We are killing him before he can kill one of us again.
>
> Locking him up in prison for the rest of his life, which I favor,
> accomplishes the same thing
>
> *So we have to keep building prisons to hold scum like this instead of 
> just
> killing them off and using the same room over and over again.
>

Where do we draw the line?  Europeans seem to handle this situation
quite well; indeed, Turkey is giving up capital punishment because
they want to enter the EU and that is one of the requirements.  So an
Islamic country is more advanced than we are.

*I personally don't think of it as an advance myself. Getting rid of the 
scum of the earth is not a bad thing. Do you think if we ever catch OBL we 
should just sentence him to life in prison? So who in your opinion deserves 
to die for their crimes? No one? I must disagree...


> Europe seems to have done quite well without the death penalty
>
> *They don't have near the crime problems we have, possibly due to their 
> more
> enlightened views on drug use in certain countries.
>

It is a chicken and egg argument; perhaps they don't have the crime
problems because they don't have the mentality that we have the right
to kill

* I doubt very much that that is the reason.....I still believe the greatest 
reason for our crime problem is our backward ass drug policy.


> > As
> > for life in prison.....why the hell should we pay to support this piece 
> > of
> > shit for the rest of his life. I can think of much better things to do
> > with
> > my money.
>
> Executing a person is actually more costly but then money is not the
> only consideration
>
> *It is only more costly due to the neverending appeals process....it could
> be streamlined greatly with no loss of justice and then it would be a much
> cheaper alternative "My name is Earl Scheib and I can execute anyone for
> $29.95"
>

Right and what happens when you do it fast and get it wrong and
execute an innocent person

*Like I said, we can do it faster and without a loss of justice. With the 
technology available today the chances of a wrongful conviction have dropped 
dramatically. And most of the appeals are not because they aren't guilty, 
they are because some lawyer says they weren't convicted the right way or on 
of the endless conflicting details of todays laws wasn't followed properly 
so the scumbag deserves a new trial...please.....


How do you correct that, how do you make that up

*As you well know, it can't be made up.....but I would rather kill a 
thousand bad ones and possibly a couple of good ones, then let the thousand 
bad ones live just in case one of them might be innocent. And before you 
ask, if I was the innocent one then yes I would rather die then let the 
thousand bad ones go free. At least it would be a noble death.


> I am against capital punishment because I think it is unethical
>
> *Capital punishment is only unethical if you are the one being
> punished....but then rape and murder of innocent people is also unethical.

Yes, so we committ an unethical act because someone else committed an
unethical act

*You missed the point of the statement. It is only unethical to the one 
being executed....and they are scumbags who have no ethics so who gives a 
shit what they think.


> You can't treat an unethcial subhuman scumbag ethically....they don't play
> by the same rules.

And if you play by their rules, you are no fucking better than they
are.  Period.

*Wrong....you are not playing by their rules. You are protecting the lives 
of innocents by stopping a killer the only way that guarantees success. If 
that offends your delicate sensibilities then I am truly sorry.....but maybe 
your significant other or your children will be alive to comfort you about 
it because I chose to stop some scumbag permanently before they got to your 
house.


> And unfortunately in this day and age a life sentence
> never really last their whole life....

That is not true.  California passed three strikes and there are guys
eighty years old in jail who can never get out

*So at least you will be safe there.....meanwhile in the rest of the 
country, people sentence to life terms are getting out in 20 years and 
getting back into business right where they left off.


>so someday they will probably get out
> again and then what. Look at it this way, all humans are basically
> animals...it is the way we are born, civilization is taught to us.....some
> people can't or won't learn so they need to go back and start over again 
> in
> the next life. Some people just aren't worth saving.
>

Next life?  Give me a break

*Who knows if there is a next one or not.....maybe there electrical energy 
signature will just mix back into the universe and the next time it becomes 
human life it will be better.......use the force Luke.....


> I am disgusted with this guy's behavior and want him punished
>
> * he won't learn and punishment won't bother him because he is incapable 
> of
> humanity....why waste your time....just send him back to the universe and
> let it try again.
>

You are certainly wasting time arguing this.

*Really....you seem to be answering my statements so it is not really a 
waste of time...I paid for an argument and I expect one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y&feature=PlayList&p=CDFEA6D52E5CC0EC&index=0

> > And before you ask.....I am pro choice,pro gun,anti-illegal immigration,
> > anti-bush and anti-stupidity in general.....funny thing is though I am 
> > not
> > a
> > republican.
>
> No and I agree with you on most issues. I am quite anti-bush and even
> as a liberal Democrat have no issues with people owning guns. Indeed,
> the state with the most freedom to own guns is the very liberal
> enclave known as Vermont
>
> * And they have great ice cream. :)
>
> I know this guy is evil. I just can't phatom a humane and advanced
> society holding a man in a room and going through a long, convoluted
> procedure to march another human being down somewhere in order to
> terminate their life
>
> * The long convoluted process is the problem...not the eventual outcome of
> it.

Again, killing for whatever reason is wrong

*Again, I disagree.....some people just deserve killing.....and that makes 
life better for the rest of us.