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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:23:08 -0800 (PST), Dana <LimoDana@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 5, 1:25�pm, Ron Johnson <bugman_Kill_All_Spamm...@airmail.net>
>wrote:
>
>> You and I had this conversation before, only with roles reversed. �You
>> were in favor of out military intervention, I wasn't..
>
>I bought into the lie for a while. Then I did my homework.�
>
>> I still don't favor, "OUR" military intervention. �That is the reason
>> we were attacked by terrorists in Sept of 01.
>
>Allegedly.
>
>> Sure, helping the UN fight bad guys will piss them off too, but not as
>> badly as when we go it alone, or head up the committee.
>
>See below.
>
>> If you can look at things like Rwanda, Darfur, , the Killing Fields,
>> and not be outraged, not want to help, say it's just not our problem
>> and turn your back, wow, I don't know what to say.
>
>Non-interventionism is just that.
>If our national interests are not at stake, we use diplomacy to try to
>rectify the situation.
>Not blood and treasure.
>We don't go to war without a declaration as outlined in the
>Constitution.
>We don't go in based on lies and speculations.
>We don't fight under the banner of the UN or any outside government.
>Show me a declaration, done properly and I'm there.

I am glad to see most of that change in you, it is what I said for
years.  I am still a little torn over the whole thing.  The movie,
"Tears of the Sun" helped remind me that there are a hell of a lot of
innocent people out there still being murdered, raped, and tortured,
(In various orders) that need some help bad.

Perhaps we need to get a constitutional amendment that OK's us
supporting the UN.  I know it is a treaty obligation but no doubt, the
right changes to the Constitution were never made.

You have my back up against the wall here, but you have to admit, I
had yours up against the same wall on basically the same thing, before
you, "Did Your Homework".

Ron
Victorville CA, about to turn it around and head to Ohio