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In article <sqi3e3lhes8jlgij20f8k97dm5k6f6l84p@4ax.com>,
 Ron Johnson <bugman@KILLSPAMMERSairmail.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:23:06 -0500, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
> 
> >Al wrote:
> >> In article <fesrd3dp1ubg4d042kgu01i2c7riec8l62@4ax.com>,
> >>  Ron Johnson <bugman@KILLSPAMMERSairmail.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:19:14 -0500, Suburbanaristic
> >>> <Musselman@wohoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I've often wondered this myself...
> >>>>
> >>>> **I've never been to Africa but I know that it's a more culturally and 
> >>>> politically diverse place than we in the West often give it credit for. 
> >>>> We say "African" as if it accurately, or at least adequately, captures 
> >>>> everything about that vast continent. I understand the complaint. 
> >>>> Liberals and conservative alike do it. We can talk about it at length if 
> >>>> you like. But...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Why on Earth do Hillary Clinton et al. think that Africa � never mind 
> >>>> African "tribes" � are a compelling philosophical and political role 
> >>>> model for the United States of America? Africa? Africa? At least when 
> >>>> they invoke Europe as a public policy North Star they have in mind a 
> >>>> first world economy and government. But Africa?
> >>>>
> >>>> On what conceivable grounds is it warranted to say, "What would the 
> >>>> Africans do?" Even on the wishy-washy proverbial terrain Clinton is 
> >>>> usually dealing with � "children," "villages," etc � is there any 
> >>>> empirical basis for arguing that the African Way is superior to our own? 
> >>>> Maybe there are studies that show "Africans" are happier than Americans 
> >>>> � when the former aren't dying of malnutrition or medieval health care, 
> >>>> or desperately trying to emigrate to the West, no doubt. But even if 
> >>>> such studies exist, I doubt that any of the Africaphiles have that sort 
> >>>> of thing in mind when they talk about the ancient Wisdom we should 
> >>>> borrow from over there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Even more fascinating: why do so many people uncritically accept these 
> >>>> appeals to African wisdom?
> >>>>
> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/27vnlq
> >>> If you got out more, and learned some things about Africa, (More than
> >>> you learned from watching, "Tarzan", you might understand.   I have
> >>> friends from a number of African Countries, Nigerians, Sudanese,
> >>> Kenyans, South Africans, and more.
> >> 
> >> Well, good for you, but actually we do know quite a bit about Africa in 
> >> the context that the writer is referencing, if we were to "get out 
> >> more", we perhaps may find that, indeed, we should be more like Africa, 
> >> but I kinda think that's not too likely.
> >> 
> >> After all, we are continually told that Africa "must be saved", but that 
> >> the rich history of Africa is a model somehow through their quaint 
> >> ancient customs.
> >> 
> >> It would make better sense for a presidential candidate to quote the 
> >> proverbs of the founders of this country rather than patronizing 
> >> specific identity groups with such pander.
> >> 
> >>> I realize that I have a head start on you, having trained people from
> >>> some of those countries to be truck drivers, but others I know outside
> >>> of being a trainer.
> >> 
> >> I am of of course at at acknowledged intellectual disadvantage in the 
> >> realm of cred when discussing geopoloitics, after all you are a truck 
> >> driver.
> >
> >Here's Rudd, proving he's the pompous slut I've always know him to be. 
> >Again.
> 
> And just think, I wouldn't even know he replied.  Never the less, I
> appreciate what you said.   Now let me get this right, now that it is
> open season on stereotypical observations.  Steve, who earns his
> living in advertising, which is the same thing as earning your living
> my misleading the public about such things as product usefulness and
> safety, while leading to the death and or injuries of millions of
> consumers, many of whom are children, not to mention, wasted dollars,
> some how is in a position to dismiss me for being a truck driver. WOW.

So your greater point is that folks in marketing are pretty damn 
competent, even when they're out to kill the general public.

  
> >>> If we only associate ourselves with white rednecks, we are not likely
> >>> to know much about the real world, or even our own country.
> >> 
> >> Then again, you grew up in Texas, right? I grew up in Puerto Rico, 
> >> Florida, California, London, NYC, and other places I forget, where it 
> >> was damn difficult to find this "white redneck" you speak of.
> 
> Key words, "Grew Up", I did, you don't show it.

Point taken, but I've always resisted growing older, it really 
frustrates grumpy old people.
 
> >We don't care where you were raised, all we want to know is why did the 
> >best part of you dribble down your mother's leg?
> 
> That sounds like the kind of childish, playground crap we have had to
> listen to in this group, from other children, for years.

True, which is why I pretty much avoid employing such youthful 
frivolity, take it up with Jer.
 
> Steve, you Dad called and needs to use the computer.

C'mon guys, all this focused seethe - get freakin' *clever* every once 
in a while, *feel the seethe* or carpe seethium for the Mexicans out 
there.