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In article 
<wildbilly-0ACC13.10013609032008@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
 Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:

> In article 
> <albert.finney000-2BE61A.09351009032008@news-server.tx.rr.com>,
>  Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
> 
> > In article 
> > <wildbilly-8393AF.23073208032008@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> >  Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article 
> > > <albert.finney000-2036B1.08253908032008@news-server.tx.rr.com>,
> > >  Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In article 
> > > > <wildbilly-CF15F3.18430207032008@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> > > >  Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > In article 
> > > > > <albert.finney000-965814.07494303032008@news-server.tx.rr.com>,
> > > > >  Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > In article 
> > > > > > <wildbilly-623104.22340602032008@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>
> > > > > > ,
> > > > > >  Billy <wildbilly@getthe.net> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > In article 
> > > > > > > <albert.finney000-26C38A.07290902032008@news-server.tx.rr.com>,
> > > > > > >  Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > We'll not revisit the record numbers of democrats connected to 
> > > > > > > > the 
> > > > > > > > Clintons who fell under the purview of jursiprudence, but we 
> > > > > > > > will 
> > > > > > > > note 
> > > > > > > > that the democrat party represents voter groups which 
> > > > > > > > traditionally 
> > > > > > > > have 
> > > > > > > > higher per-capita criminal convictions than those traditionally 
> > > > > > > > associated with repub's. I'm sure you catch my drift.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Why not? Go for it. As lame as Clinton  was, he looks like a 
> > > > > > > white 
> > > > > > > knight next to this gang of liars and thieves.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You're missing my point. I'm referring to voters.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As to your opinion, it's just that - and by any legal standard this 
> > > > > > administration is squeaky clean 
> > > > > What kind of drugs you on boy, I gotta get me some of them. Or did 
> > > > > you 
> > > > > just go for the full head-on lobotomy?  
> > > > > 
> > > > > They brought back the Iran-Contra gang. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Elliott Abrams pleaded guilty to withholding information from 
> > > > > Congress, 
> > > > > then was pardoned bythe first President Bush.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Poindexter was convicted in 1990 on five felony charges
> > > > 
> > > > I was unaware GW Bush was in power in 1990.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Otto Reich, the State Department's top official for Latin America
> > > > > 
> > > > > Executive privilege and national security concerns keep us from 
> > > > > finding 
> > > > > out what this government is doing form the secret attendees of 
> > > > > Cheney's 
> > > > > "Energy Summit" which was followed by de-facto deregulation which 
> > > > > lead 
> > > > > to the "Clean Air Amendment", "Clean Water Amendment" (of course 
> > > > > neither 
> > > > > was clean), and the screwing of Californian electrical rate payers.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > All charged and jailed on your opinion alone.
> > > >  
> > > > > Then there was the bald face lying that got us into Iraq.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Niger yellow cake uranium?
> > > > 
> > > > The British intel, or Joe Wilson's report of seeing a top Iraqi 
> > > > official 
> > > > in Niger? Granted, Wilson is a proved liar, but he's on your side, 
> > > > right?
> > > >  
> > > > > Let's not forget the stripping of the Constitution and the loss of 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > 800 year old right of habeas corpus and the right to a jury of your 
> > > > > peers, illegal invasion of everyones privacy (foreign and domestic).
> > > > 
> > > > Are you thinking of the "drug war", or do you call Iran frequently?
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Oh and the killing of "SUSPECTED" terrorists and the torturing of 
> > > > > "SUSPECTED" terrorists and the very real kidnapping of a Canadian and 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > German who were tortured.
> > > > 
> > > > Oh my.
> > > >  
> > > > > At present the US is supplying weapons to both Sunni and Shia forces 
> > > > > in 
> > > > > Iraq, which keeps the violence going and justifies our continued 
> > > > > presence and the spending of big bucks, so that Daddy Bush and 
> > > > > friends 
> > > > > can continue to make big bucks.
> > > > 
> > > > Decreasing violence = increased violence.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > > And the thing that really is the symbol for this administration of 
> > > > > thieves, liars, and murders is when we invaded Baghdad, the only part 
> > > > > of 
> > > > > the infrastructure that was guarded was the Ministry of Oil.
> > > > 
> > > > How odd, that we would protect an element of Iraq's Number one source 
> > > > of 
> > > > income.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > > Squeaky clean? You're nuts boy.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, boy, by legal measure - indictment, conviction, incarceration, 
> > > > you 
> > > > seem to have failed to make the case.
> > > > 
> > > > Sadly, your outrage is not prosecutable.
> > > > 
> > > > > > compared to previous admins. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > If we had a system which relied on 
> > > > >    public opinion,  
> > > > > > many critics of this administration would be in the slammer as 
> > > > > > well.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You do know that Bush is a very unpopular person don't you?
> > > > 
> > > > 4 out of 5 Islamists, communists and neo-marxist wankers hate the guy. 
> > > > You're in good company.
> > > > 
> > > > > You must 
> > > > > know that. Lunatic Republicans (ask for them by name) are his only 
> > > > > supporters. If it was up to popular opinion, this administration 
> > > > > would  
> > > > > be in prison or the Hague.
> > > > 
> > > > So that's it.
> > > > 
> > > > You set out to straighten me out about this, and end up making my case 
> > > > for me, you weren't even smart enough to mention Libby.
> > > > 
> > > > Care to try again?
> > > > 
> > > > List the indictments and convictions of the people in and surrounding 
> > > > the administration, then compare that list with previous 
> > > > administrations, and you will arrive at the same conclusion I just 
> > > > offered.
> > > > 
> > > > This is really 9th-grade stuff, youngster, are you still in 8th?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > (BTW, you, like the other outraged ninny, failed to get the gist, so 
> > > > I'll repeat it once again. The democrat voter base is comprised in no 
> > > > small part by criminals)
> > > 
> > > I have to hand it to you. You certainly are an arrogant idiot. Proud of 
> > > your own ignorance.
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/15/AR2008021
> > > 502901.html?hpid%3Dopinionsbox1&sub=AR
> > > 
> > > washingtonpost.com  > Opinions  > Outlook
> > > The Dumbing Of America
> > 
> > Classic.
> > 
> > I was expecting maybe a long list of indictments and convictions to 
> > compare to previous administrations. But I guess that wouldn't support 
> > your argument.
> > 
> > Instead you post a lengthy unrelated article in an attempt to call me 
> > stupid.
> > 
> > The irony must escape you.
> > 
> > However, it was a good article, in that it answers the question "why do 
> > so many people vote democrat?"
> > 
> > Later, kid.
> 
> You didn't understand either post, did you? It's hard to say whether you 
> need a history class of an English class. Your egregiously depauperate 
> education leaves you at a disadvantage in a debate. So why don't you 
> scurry around, and cut and paste a coherent argument together, with 
> citations, as I did. 
> 
> I've documented that this administration brought back the supporters of 
> Ollie North's shadow government. 
> http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/Central_America/Iran-Contra_Felons_
> Get_Good_Jobs_from_Bush
> 
> The ones who shielded the Contra cocaine running into south central L.A. 
> (Dark Alliance by Gary Webb)
> 
> The secret meeting in the White House that are cloaked in Presidential 
> prerogatives or national secrecy. 
> 
> The lies that led to Bush's unending war on terror, that coincidentally 
> enriches Poppy Bush and friends.
> 
> And if you can't see a straight line from Niger yellow cake uranium to 
> Scouter Libby, then you must be maliciously blind.
> 
> How old are you kid? I'm 65. I went to school with Sputnik, back when 
> government was putting money into schools, not taking it out. Just means 
> that you'll have to work a little harder.

We're evidently using different standards of measure for "corruption" 
when comparing administrations, mine being actual legal action and 
conclusions, yours being accusations and theories.

When those accusations and theories turn to indictments, trials and 
punishments, you get back to me with the comparative body count among 
this administration and past administrations.

You'd better hope for a last-minute rush, or you'll have to describe the 
administration as "the most corrupt, but with the least number of legal 
prosecutions."