🚀 go-pugleaf

Great....maybe he can share a cell with the former republican govenor and 
they can kill each other and save us some money.

It just goes to show folks.....both sides of the coin are crooked as sin.

"Pops Mear" <PopsMear@here.usa> wrote in message 
news:a5atj45211luqj1imphbs470569po1r5r7@4ax.com...
> If only Democrats had a Code of Omerta like the Nazi Republican
> Mafias...unregulated Holy Capitalism is A Good Thing but ONLY if you
> shout "Jesus"
>
>
> Ill. Gov. arrested in Obama successor probe
>
> By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer Mike Robinson, Associated
> Press Writer - 27 mins ago
>
> CHICAGO - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on Tuesday on
> charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the U.S. Senate
> seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest
> bidder.
>
> Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold
> state assistance to Tribune Co., the owner of the Chicago Tribune, in
> the sale of Wrigley Field, according to a federal criminal complaint.
> In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members
> of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired.
>
> A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor was
> intercepted on court-authorized wiretaps over the last month
> conspiring to sell or trade the vacant Senate seat for personal
> benefits for himself and his wife, Patti.
>
> Otherwise, Blagojevich considered appointing himself. The affidavit
> said that as late as Nov. 3, he told his deputy governor that if
> "they're not going to offer me anything of value I might as well take
> it."
>
> "I'm going to keep this Senate option for me a real possibility, you
> know, and therefore I can drive a hard bargain," Blagojevich allegedly
> said later that day, according to the affidavit, which also quoted him
> as saying in a remark punctuated by profanity that the seat was "a
> valuable thing - you just don't give it away for nothing."
>
> The affidavit said Blagojevich also discussed getting a substantial
> salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation or an organization
> affiliated with labor unions.
>
> It said Blagojevich also talked about getting his wife placed on
> corporate boards where she might get $150,000 a year in director's
> fees.
>
> He also allegedly discussed getting campaign funds for himself or
> possibly a post in the president's cabinet or an ambassadorship once
> he left the governor's office. He noted becoming a U.S. senator might
> remake his image for a possible presidential run in 2016, according to
> the affidavit. And he allegedly said a Senate seat would also provide
> him with corporate contacts if he needed a job and present an
> opportunity for his wife to work as a lobbyist.
>
> "I want to make money," the affidavit quotes him as saying in one
> conversation.
>
> The affidavit said Blagojevich expressed frustration at being "stuck"
> as governor and that he would have access to greater resources if he
> were indicted while in the U.S. Senate than while sitting as governor.
>
> U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said in a statement that "the
> breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering."
>
> "They allege that Blagojevich put a for sale sign on the naming of a
> United States senator," Fitzgerald said."
>
> Messages left for Blagojevich spokesman Lucio Guerrero and at the
> governor's press office were not immediately returned Tuesday morning.
>
> Among those being considered for the Senate post include U.S. Reps.
> Danny Davis and Jesse Jackson Jr.
>
> The affidavit outlined a Nov. 10 call between Blagojevich, his wife,
> his chief of staff - John Harris, who also was arrested Tuesday - and
> a group of advisers in which Harris allegedly suggested working out an
> agreement with the Service Employees International Union.
>
> Under the plan, Blagojevich would appoint a new senator who would be
> helpful to the president-elect and in turn get a job as head of Change
> to Win, a group formed by the union. The union would get an
> unspecified favor from Obama later.
>
> Nothing in the court papers suggested Obama had any part in the
> discussion. In fact, Blagojevich allegedly said in the same
> conversation that Obama most likely would not appoint him as secretary
> of health and human services or to an ambassadorship because of the
> negative publicity that has surrounded the governor for three years.
>
> One day later, according to the affidavit, Blagojevich allegedly told
> an associate he knew Obama wanted a specific Senate candidate but
> "they're not going to give me anything except appreciation." He
> finished the remark with an expletive.
>
> Blagojevich also was charged with using his authority as governor in
> an attempt to squeeze out campaign contributions.
>
> Corruption in the Blagojevich administration has been the focus of a
> federal investigation involving an alleged $7 million scheme aimed at
> squeezing kickbacks out of companies seeking business from the state.
> Federal prosecutors have acknowledged they're also investigating
> "serious allegations of endemic hiring fraud" under Blagojevich, who
> has a $177,412 salary, though it's unclear whether he accepts the
> total.
>
> Political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko who raised money for the
> campaigns of both Blagojevich and Obama is awaiting sentencing after
> being convicted of fraud and other charges. Blagojevich's chief
> fundraiser, Christopher G. Kelly, is due to stand trial early next
> year on charges of obstructing the Internal Revenue Service.
>
> According to Tuesday's complaint, Blagojevich schemed with Rezko,
> millionaire-fundraiser turned federal witness Stuart Levine and others
> to get financial benefits for himself and his campaign committee.
>
> Federal prosecutors said Blagojevich and the chairman of his campaign
> committee have been speeding up corrupt fundraising activities in the
> last month to get as much money as possible before the end of the year
> when a new law would curtail his ability to raise contributions from
> companies with state contracts worth more than $50,000.
>
> According to the affidavit, agents learned Blagojevich was seeking
> $2.5 million in campaign contributions by the end of the year, with a
> large part allegedly to come from companies and individuals who have
> gotten state contracts or appointments.
>
> The affidavit also outlines Blagojevich conversations related to
> Tribune Co., which has been hoping to sell Wrigley Field, the home of
> the Chicago Cubs which the publishing giant also owns.
>
> Blagojevich was quoted in court papers as telling Harris in a
> profanity laced Nov. 4 conversation that his recommendation to Tribune
> executives was to fire the editorial writers "and get us some
> editorial support."
>
> Harris is quoted as telling the governor Nov. 11 that an unnamed
> Tribune Owner, presumably CEO Sam Zell, "got the message and is very
> sensitive to the issue."
>
> The affidavit said Harris quoted a Tribune financial adviser as saying
> cuts were coming at the newspaper and "reading between the lines he's
> going after that section," apparently meaning editorial writers.
> Blagojevich is quoted as saying: "Oh, that's fantastic."
>
> "Wow," Blagojevich allegedly replied. "Keep our fingers crossed.
> You're the man. Good job, John."
>
> Harris allegedly told Blagojevich in his conversation with the
> financial adviser he had singled out deputy editorial page editor John
> McCormick as "somebody who was the most biased and unfair."
>
> After hearing that, Blagojevich allegedly stressed to the head of a
> Chicago sports consulting firm that it was important to provide state
> aid for a Wrigley Field sale.
>
> Blagojevich took the chief executive's office in 2003 as a reformer
> promising to clean up former Gov. George Ryan's mess.
>
> Ryan, a Republican, is serving a 6-year prison sentence after being
> convicted on racketeering and fraud charges. A decade-long
> investigation began with the sale of driver's licenses for bribes and
> led to the conviction of dozens of people who worked for Ryan when he
> was secretary of state and governor.
>
> FBI spokesman Frank Bochte said federal agents arrested the governor
> and Harris simultaneously at their homes at 6:15 a.m. and took them to
> the Chicago FBI headquarters.
>
> He did not have any details about Blagojevich's arrest, only that he
> was cooperative with federal agents.
>
> "It was a very calm setting," he said.
>
> The governor was to appear later Tuesday before U.S. Magistrate Judge
> Nan Nolan to answer the charges. The time was not immediately set.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_re_us/blagojevich_corruption_probe
> 

"Pops Mear" <PopsMear@here.usa> wrote in message 
news:a5atj45211luqj1imphbs470569po1r5r7@4ax.com...
> If only Democrats had a Code of Omerta like the Nazi Republican
> Mafias...unregulated Holy Capitalism is A?Good Thing but ONLY if you
> shout "Jesus"

How about your unregulated Democrap??  Was he to split the cash with Obama 
or put it in the freezer?   LOL!
>
>
> Ill. Gov. arrested in Obama successor probe
>
> By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer Mike Robinson, Associated
> Press Writer - 27 mins ago
>
> CHICAGO - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on Tuesday on
> charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the U.S. Senate
> seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest
> bidder.
>
> Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold
> state assistance to Tribune Co., the owner of the Chicago Tribune, in
> the sale of Wrigley Field, according to a federal criminal complaint.
> In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members
> of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired.
> 

On Dec 9, 12:27 pm, Pops Mear <PopsM...@here.usa> wrote:
> Ill. Gov. arrested in Obama successor probe
> By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer Mike Robinson, Associated
> Press Writer – 27 mins ago
> CHICAGO – Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on Tuesday on
> charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the U.S. Senate
> seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest
> bidder.

---
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/09/rod-blagojevich-indictmen_n_149608.html

"The governor, accused of seeking cash for the political appointment
of Obama's Senate replacement, is not a close associate of the
President-elect. Indeed, in the affidavit, Blagojevich called Obama a
"motherfucker" for wanting him to appoint an official that the
governor either did not like or wouldn't receive money from. Local
news reports, meanwhile, suggest that it was Obama chief-of-staff Rahm
Emanuel who blew the whistle on the governor."
---

 -Tom Sr.

On Dec 9, 12:27 pm, Pops Mear <PopsM...@here.usa> wrote:
> If only Democrats had a Code of Omerta like the Nazi Republican
> Mafias...unregulated Holy Capitalism is A Good Thing but ONLY if you
> shout "Jesus"
>
> Ill. Gov. arrested in Obama successor probe
>
> By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer Mike Robinson, Associated
> Press Writer – 27 mins ago
>
> CHICAGO – Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on Tuesday on
> charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the U.S. Senate
> seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest
> bidder.
>
> Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold
> state assistance to Tribune Co., the owner of the Chicago Tribune, in
> the sale of Wrigley Field, according to a federal criminal complaint.
> In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members
> of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired.
>
> A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor was
> intercepted on court-authorized wiretaps over the last month
> conspiring to sell or trade the vacant Senate seat for personal
> benefits for himself and his wife, Patti.
>
> Otherwise, Blagojevich considered appointing himself. The affidavit
> said that as late as Nov. 3, he told his deputy governor that if
> "they're not going to offer me anything of value I might as well take
> it."
>
> "I'm going to keep this Senate option for me a real possibility, you
> know, and therefore I can drive a hard bargain," Blagojevich allegedly
> said later that day, according to the affidavit, which also quoted him
> as saying in a remark punctuated by profanity that the seat was "a
> valuable thing — you just don't give it away for nothing."
>
> The affidavit said Blagojevich also discussed getting a substantial
> salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation or an organization
> affiliated with labor unions.
>
> It said Blagojevich also talked about getting his wife placed on
> corporate boards where she might get $150,000 a year in director's
> fees.
>
> He also allegedly discussed getting campaign funds for himself or
> possibly a post in the president's cabinet or an ambassadorship once
> he left the governor's office. He noted becoming a U.S. senator might
> remake his image for a possible presidential run in 2016, according to
> the affidavit. And he allegedly said a Senate seat would also provide
> him with corporate contacts if he needed a job and present an
> opportunity for his wife to work as a lobbyist.
>
> "I want to make money," the affidavit quotes him as saying in one
> conversation.
>
> The affidavit said Blagojevich expressed frustration at being "stuck"
> as governor and that he would have access to greater resources if he
> were indicted while in the U.S. Senate than while sitting as governor.
>
> U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said in a statement that "the
> breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering."
>
> "They allege that Blagojevich put a for sale sign on the naming of a
> United States senator," Fitzgerald said."
>
> Messages left for Blagojevich spokesman Lucio Guerrero and at the
> governor's press office were not immediately returned Tuesday morning.
>
> Among those being considered for the Senate post include U.S. Reps.
> Danny Davis and Jesse Jackson Jr.
>
> The affidavit outlined a Nov. 10 call between Blagojevich, his wife,
> his chief of staff — John Harris, who also was arrested Tuesday — and
> a group of advisers in which Harris allegedly suggested working out an
> agreement with the Service Employees International Union.
>
> Under the plan, Blagojevich would appoint a new senator who would be
> helpful to the president-elect and in turn get a job as head of Change
> to Win, a group formed by the union. The union would get an
> unspecified favor from Obama later.
>
> Nothing in the court papers suggested Obama had any part in the
> discussion. In fact, Blagojevich allegedly said in the same
> conversation that Obama most likely would not appoint him as secretary
> of health and human services or to an ambassadorship because of the
> negative publicity that has surrounded the governor for three years.
>
> One day later, according to the affidavit, Blagojevich allegedly told
> an associate he knew Obama wanted a specific Senate candidate but
> "they're not going to give me anything except appreciation." He
> finished the remark with an expletive.
>
> Blagojevich also was charged with using his authority as governor in
> an attempt to squeeze out campaign contributions.
>
> Corruption in the Blagojevich administration has been the focus of a
> federal investigation involving an alleged $7 million scheme aimed at
> squeezing kickbacks out of companies seeking business from the state.
> Federal prosecutors have acknowledged they're also investigating
> "serious allegations of endemic hiring fraud" under Blagojevich, who
> has a $177,412 salary, though it's unclear whether he accepts the
> total.
>
> Political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko who raised money for the
> campaigns of both Blagojevich and Obama is awaiting sentencing after
> being convicted of fraud and other charges. Blagojevich's chief
> fundraiser, Christopher G. Kelly, is due to stand trial early next
> year on charges of obstructing the Internal Revenue Service.
>
> According to Tuesday's complaint, Blagojevich schemed with Rezko,
> millionaire-fundraiser turned federal witness Stuart Levine and others
> to get financial benefits for himself and his campaign committee.
>
> Federal prosecutors said Blagojevich and the chairman of his campaign
> committee have been speeding up corrupt fundraising activities in the
> last month to get as much money as possible before the end of the year
> when a new law would curtail his ability to raise contributions from
> companies with state contracts worth more than $50,000.
>
> According to the affidavit, agents learned Blagojevich was seeking
> $2.5 million in campaign contributions by the end of the year, with a
> large part allegedly to come from companies and individuals who have
> gotten state contracts or appointments.
>
> The affidavit also outlines Blagojevich conversations related to
> Tribune Co., which has been hoping to sell Wrigley Field, the home of
> the Chicago Cubs which the publishing giant also owns.
>
> Blagojevich was quoted in court papers as telling Harris in a
> profanity laced Nov. 4 conversation that his recommendation to Tribune
> executives was to fire the editorial writers "and get us some
> editorial support."
>
> Harris is quoted as telling the governor Nov. 11 that an unnamed
> Tribune Owner, presumably CEO Sam Zell, "got the message and is very
> sensitive to the issue."
>
> The affidavit said Harris quoted a Tribune financial adviser as saying
> cuts were coming at the newspaper and "reading between the lines he's
> going after that section," apparently meaning editorial writers.
> Blagojevich is quoted as saying: "Oh, that's fantastic."
>
> "Wow," Blagojevich allegedly replied. "Keep our fingers crossed.
> You're the man. Good job, John."
>
> Harris allegedly told Blagojevich in his conversation with the
> financial adviser he had singled out deputy editorial page editor John
> McCormick as "somebody who was the most biased and unfair."
>
> After hearing that, Blagojevich allegedly stressed to the head of a
> Chicago sports consulting firm that it was important to provide state
> aid for a Wrigley Field sale.
>
> Blagojevich took the chief executive's office in 2003 as a reformer
> promising to clean up former Gov. George Ryan's mess.
>
> Ryan, a Republican, is serving a 6-year prison sentence after being
> convicted on racketeering and fraud charges. A decade-long
> investigation began with the sale of driver's licenses for bribes and
> led to the conviction of dozens of people who worked for Ryan when he
> was secretary of state and governor.
>
> FBI spokesman Frank Bochte said federal agents arrested the governor
> and Harris simultaneously at their homes at 6:15 a.m. and took them to
> the Chicago FBI headquarters.
>
> He did not have any details about Blagojevich's arrest, only that he
> was cooperative with federal agents.
>
> "It was a very calm setting," he said.
>
> The governor was to appear later Tuesday before U.S. Magistrate Judge
> Nan Nolan to answer the charges. The time was not immediately set.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_re_us/blagojevich_corruptio...

I am surprised you are not complaining about the political motivations
of this prosecutor; after all, that what you complained about
vehemently when he was going after Scooter Libby.

By the way, if you would actually READ and UNDERSTAND the indictment,
you will see that he was unhappy with Obama so there is nothing that
touches Obama here so don't even try to go there.

I trust Patrick Fitzgerald, the absolute best prosecutor in the United
States.  He is thorough and relentless and totally ethical.  I hope he
nails the guy.

We Democrats got rid of Jefferson last week and now we are ridding
ourselves of this guy.  Meanwhile, Scooter Libby was pardoned totally
by Bush.

On Dec 9, 1:37 pm, "news.dallas.sbcglobal.net" <hrree...@swbell.net>
wrote:
> "Pops Mear" <PopsM...@here.usa> wrote in message
>
> news:a5atj45211luqj1imphbs470569po1r5r7@4ax.com...
>
> > If only Democrats had a Code of Omerta like the Nazi Republican
> > Mafias...unregulated Holy Capitalism is A?Good Thing but ONLY if you
> > shout "Jesus"
>
> How about your unregulated Democrap??  Was he to split the cash with Obama
> or put it in the freezer?   LOL!
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ill. Gov. arrested in Obama successor probe
>
> > By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer Mike Robinson, Associated
> > Press Writer - 27 mins ago
>
> > CHICAGO - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on Tuesday on
> > charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the U.S. Senate
> > seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest
> > bidder.
>
> > Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold
> > state assistance to Tribune Co., the owner of the Chicago Tribune, in
> > the sale of Wrigley Field, according to a federal criminal complaint.
> > In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members
> > of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired.

If you would have read the indictment rather than getting your talking
points from Rush Limbaugh, you will see that he was disappointed with
Obama and Obama had nothing whatsoever to do with this.

But nice try and we have some lovely parting gifts.

> If you would have read the indictment rather than getting your talking
> points from Rush Limbaugh, you will see that he was disappointed with
> Obama and Obama had nothing whatsoever to do with this.
>
> But nice try and we have some lovely parting gifts.

O'bamma is from this same political machine.  This is why a lot of
people aren't too high on him.  There's nobody in Illinois politics
who isn't crooked, especially in Chicago.

Trav

In article <aOy%k.9836$be.654@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
 "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:

> Great....maybe he can share a cell with the former republican govenor and 
> they can kill each other and save us some money.
> 
> It just goes to show folks.....both sides of the coin are crooked as sin.

Watch the Sopranos, it'll all make sense.

On Dec 9, 6:32 pm, "travis...@aol.cominyrface" <travis...@aol.com>
wrote:
> > If you would have read the indictment rather than getting your talking
> > points from Rush Limbaugh, you will see that he was disappointed with
> > Obama and Obama had nothing whatsoever to do with this.
>
> > But nice try and we have some lovely parting gifts.
>
> O'bamma is from this same political machine.  This is why a lot of
> people aren't too high on him.  There's nobody in Illinois politics
> who isn't crooked, especially in Chicago.
>
> Trav

That would explain that landslide results of the election where the
non-natural-born citizen got his ass buried so deep you'll need a
digger to find him.

"Al" <albert.finney000@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:albert.finney000-B5B411.21120709122008@america.usenet-access.com...
> In article <aOy%k.9836$be.654@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Great....maybe he can share a cell with the former republican govenor and
>> they can kill each other and save us some money.
>>
>> It just goes to show folks.....both sides of the coin are crooked as sin.
>
> Watch the Sopranos, it'll all make sense.

If television made any sense I wouldn't watch it.....

In article <ZGM%k.9956$be.2701@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
 "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:

> "Al" <albert.finney000@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:albert.finney000-B5B411.21120709122008@america.usenet-access.com...
> > In article <aOy%k.9836$be.654@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> > "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Great....maybe he can share a cell with the former republican govenor and
> >> they can kill each other and save us some money.
> >>
> >> It just goes to show folks.....both sides of the coin are crooked as sin.
> >
> > Watch the Sopranos, it'll all make sense.
> 
> If television made any sense I wouldn't watch it.....


It's all in how you watch it.

TIVO the Spanish shopping channel with German subtitles enabled, then run it 
backwards.

On Dec 9, 6:32 pm, "travis...@aol.cominyrface" <travis...@aol.com>
wrote:
> > If you would have read the indictment rather than getting your talking
> > points from Rush Limbaugh, you will see that he was disappointed with
> > Obama and Obama had nothing whatsoever to do with this.
>
> > But nice try and we have some lovely parting gifts.
>
> O'bamma is from this same political machine.  This is why a lot of
> people aren't too high on him.  There's nobody in Illinois politics
> who isn't crooked, especially in Chicago.
>
> Trav

If he is corrupt believe me Patrick Fitzgerald will get him but as
unbelieveable as it may sound, there are some honest politicians in
Chicago

I will be deeply disappointed if Obama took part in any of this but I
am going to give him the benefit of the doubt right now

"Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:

> Great....maybe he can share a cell with the former republican
> govenor and they can kill each other and save us some money.
> 
> It just goes to show folks.....both sides of the coin are
> crooked as sin. 

That's the truth.

I had to write in a vote for president because of party politics. 
Not one party was able to present a deserving candidate this 
year.  Even the democrats...Hillary Clinton, of all people, was 
the best candidate they offered.  Sheesh!

-- 
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his 
need."  --Karl Marx, on "the ideal state of communism"
"You may have to give up a piece of your pie so that someone
 else can have more."
  --Obama, explicitly endorsing "the ideal state of communism"

"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote in message 
news:Xns9B70C58C2E408thathillbillyyahooco@130.133.1.4...
> "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Great....maybe he can share a cell with the former republican
>> govenor and they can kill each other and save us some money.
>>
>> It just goes to show folks.....both sides of the coin are
>> crooked as sin.
>
> That's the truth.
>
> I had to write in a vote for president because of party politics.
> Not one party was able to present a deserving candidate this
> year.  Even the democrats...Hillary Clinton, of all people, was
> the best candidate they offered.  Sheesh!

Makes you wish you could actually take votes away from a candidate instead 
of voting for someone. Then if nobody got the minimum number of votes to win 
then we would have to do the whole thing over again with different 
candidates.

>
> -- 
> "From each according to his ability, to each according to his
> need."  --Karl Marx, on "the ideal state of communism"
> "You may have to give up a piece of your pie so that someone
> else can have more."
>  --Obama, explicitly endorsing "the ideal state of communism"
>
> 

"Al" <albert.finney000@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:albert.finney000-239225.18141710122008@america.usenet-access.com...
> In article <ZGM%k.9956$be.2701@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:
>
>> "Al" <albert.finney000@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:albert.finney000-B5B411.21120709122008@america.usenet-access.com...
>> > In article <aOy%k.9836$be.654@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> > "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Great....maybe he can share a cell with the former republican govenor 
>> >> and
>> >> they can kill each other and save us some money.
>> >>
>> >> It just goes to show folks.....both sides of the coin are crooked as 
>> >> sin.
>> >
>> > Watch the Sopranos, it'll all make sense.
>>
>> If television made any sense I wouldn't watch it.....
>
>
> It's all in how you watch it.
>
> TIVO the Spanish shopping channel with German subtitles enabled, then run 
> it
> backwards.

I did....it sounded like McCains concession speech..... 

In article <Hf20l.9251$x%.1590@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
 "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:

> "Al" <albert.finney000@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:albert.finney000-239225.18141710122008@america.usenet-access.com...
> > In article <ZGM%k.9956$be.2701@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> > "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Al" <albert.finney000@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:albert.finney000-B5B411.21120709122008@america.usenet-access.com...
> >> > In article <aOy%k.9836$be.654@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> >> > "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Great....maybe he can share a cell with the former republican govenor 
> >> >> and
> >> >> they can kill each other and save us some money.
> >> >>
> >> >> It just goes to show folks.....both sides of the coin are crooked as 
> >> >> sin.
> >> >
> >> > Watch the Sopranos, it'll all make sense.
> >>
> >> If television made any sense I wouldn't watch it.....
> >
> >
> > It's all in how you watch it.
> >
> > TIVO the Spanish shopping channel with German subtitles enabled, then run 
> > it
> > backwards.
> 
> I did....it sounded like McCains concession speech..... 

That's because you forgot to take your acid.

> If he is corrupt believe me Patrick Fitzgerald will get him but as
> unbelieveable as it may sound, there are some honest politicians in
> Chicago
>
> I will be deeply disappointed if Obama took part in any of this but I
> am going to give him the benefit of the doubt right now

I'm sure he stayed above this.  But, you don't get anywhere in
Illinois politics without being corrupt to some extent...that's just a
fact.

Hell, you don't get to the Senate without it.  A lot of people may be
disillusioned with O'bamma when and if things start to spill out.

Trav

<travisgod@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:deca4901-50c5-4ce0-854c-349611469df8@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> If he is corrupt believe me Patrick Fitzgerald will get him but as
>> unbelieveable as it may sound, there are some honest politicians in
>> Chicago
>>
>> I will be deeply disappointed if Obama took part in any of this but I
>> am going to give him the benefit of the doubt right now
>
> I'm sure he stayed above this.  But, you don't get anywhere in
> Illinois politics without being corrupt to some extent...that's just a
> fact.
>

That's total bullshit. 

"Al" <albert.finney000@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:albert.finney000-8F5C25.18003211122008@america.usenet-access.com...
> In article <Hf20l.9251$x%.1590@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:
>
>> "Al" <albert.finney000@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:albert.finney000-239225.18141710122008@america.usenet-access.com...
>> > In article <ZGM%k.9956$be.2701@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> > "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Al" <albert.finney000@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:albert.finney000-B5B411.21120709122008@america.usenet-access.com...
>> >> > In article <aOy%k.9836$be.654@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> >> > "Chris" <vscooternospam@att.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Great....maybe he can share a cell with the former republican 
>> >> >> govenor
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> they can kill each other and save us some money.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It just goes to show folks.....both sides of the coin are crooked 
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> sin.
>> >> >
>> >> > Watch the Sopranos, it'll all make sense.
>> >>
>> >> If television made any sense I wouldn't watch it.....
>> >
>> >
>> > It's all in how you watch it.
>> >
>> > TIVO the Spanish shopping channel with German subtitles enabled, then 
>> > run
>> > it
>> > backwards.
>>
>> I did....it sounded like McCains concession speech.....
>
> That's because you forgot to take your acid.

At my age the only acid I can handle is acid reflux.....

On Dec 11, 7:27 pm, "travis...@aol.cominyrface" <travis...@aol.com>
wrote:
> > If he is corrupt believe me Patrick Fitzgerald will get him but as
> > unbelieveable as it may sound, there are some honest politicians in
> > Chicago
>
> > I will be deeply disappointed if Obama took part in any of this but I
> > am going to give him the benefit of the doubt right now
>
> I'm sure he stayed above this.  But, you don't get anywhere in
> Illinois politics without being corrupt to some extent...that's just a
> fact.
>
> Hell, you don't get to the Senate without it.  A lot of people may be
> disillusioned with O'bamma when and if things start to spill out.
>
> Trav

That's kind of a blanket statement.  Sure there seems to be a lot of
corruption in Illinois but that doesnt' mean everyone is corrupt.  The
Republican governor is in jail over corruption and there are a lot of
Republicans who has been convicted of corruption but I would never say
that Everett Dirkson was corrupt.

On Dec 9, 6:15 pm, bushlyed <bushl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 9, 12:27 pm, Pops Mear <PopsM...@here.usa> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > If only Democrats had a Code of Omerta like the Nazi Republican
> > Mafias...unregulated Holy Capitalism is A Good Thing but ONLY if you
> > shout "Jesus"
>
> > Ill. Gov. arrested in Obama successor probe
>
> > By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer Mike Robinson, Associated
> > Press Writer – 27 mins ago
>
> > CHICAGO – Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on Tuesday on
> > charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the U.S. Senate
> > seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest
> > bidder.
>
> > Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold
> > state assistance to Tribune Co., the owner of the Chicago Tribune, in
> > the sale of Wrigley Field, according to a federal criminal complaint.
> > In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members
> > of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired.
>
> > A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor was
> > intercepted on court-authorized wiretaps over the last month
> > conspiring to sell or trade the vacant Senate seat for personal
> > benefits for himself and his wife, Patti.
>
> > Otherwise, Blagojevich considered appointing himself. The affidavit
> > said that as late as Nov. 3, he told his deputy governor that if
> > "they're not going to offer me anything of value I might as well take
> > it."
>
> > "I'm going to keep this Senate option for me a real possibility, you
> > know, and therefore I can drive a hard bargain," Blagojevich allegedly
> > said later that day, according to the affidavit, which also quoted him
> > as saying in a remark punctuated by profanity that the seat was "a
> > valuable thing — you just don't give it away for nothing."
>
> > The affidavit said Blagojevich also discussed getting a substantial
> > salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation or an organization
> > affiliated with labor unions.
>
> > It said Blagojevich also talked about getting his wife placed on
> > corporate boards where she might get $150,000 a year in director's
> > fees.
>
> > He also allegedly discussed getting campaign funds for himself or
> > possibly a post in the president's cabinet or an ambassadorship once
> > he left the governor's office. He noted becoming a U.S. senator might
> > remake his image for a possible presidential run in 2016, according to
> > the affidavit. And he allegedly said a Senate seat would also provide
> > him with corporate contacts if he needed a job and present an
> > opportunity for his wife to work as a lobbyist.
>
> > "I want to make money," the affidavit quotes him as saying in one
> > conversation.
>
> > The affidavit said Blagojevich expressed frustration at being "stuck"
> > as governor and that he would have access to greater resources if he
> > were indicted while in the U.S. Senate than while sitting as governor.
>
> > U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said in a statement that "the
> > breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering."
>
> > "They allege that Blagojevich put a for sale sign on the naming of a
> > United States senator," Fitzgerald said."
>
> > Messages left for Blagojevich spokesman Lucio Guerrero and at the
> > governor's press office were not immediately returned Tuesday morning.
>
> > Among those being considered for the Senate post include U.S. Reps.
> > Danny Davis and Jesse Jackson Jr.
>
> > The affidavit outlined a Nov. 10 call between Blagojevich, his wife,
> > his chief of staff — John Harris, who also was arrested Tuesday — and
> > a group of advisers in which Harris allegedly suggested working out an
> > agreement with the Service Employees International Union.
>
> > Under the plan, Blagojevich would appoint a new senator who would be
> > helpful to the president-elect and in turn get a job as head of Change
> > to Win, a group formed by the union. The union would get an
> > unspecified favor from Obama later.
>
> > Nothing in the court papers suggested Obama had any part in the
> > discussion. In fact, Blagojevich allegedly said in the same
> > conversation that Obama most likely would not appoint him as secretary
> > of health and human services or to an ambassadorship because of the
> > negative publicity that has surrounded the governor for three years.
>
> > One day later, according to the affidavit, Blagojevich allegedly told
> > an associate he knew Obama wanted a specific Senate candidate but
> > "they're not going to give me anything except appreciation." He
> > finished the remark with an expletive.
>
> > Blagojevich also was charged with using his authority as governor in
> > an attempt to squeeze out campaign contributions.
>
> > Corruption in the Blagojevich administration has been the focus of a
> > federal investigation involving an alleged $7 million scheme aimed at
> > squeezing kickbacks out of companies seeking business from the state.
> > Federal prosecutors have acknowledged they're also investigating
> > "serious allegations of endemic hiring fraud" under Blagojevich, who
> > has a $177,412 salary, though it's unclear whether he accepts the
> > total.
>
> > Political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko who raised money for the
> > campaigns of both Blagojevich and Obama is awaiting sentencing after
> > being convicted of fraud and other charges. Blagojevich's chief
> > fundraiser, Christopher G. Kelly, is due to stand trial early next
> > year on charges of obstructing the Internal Revenue Service.
>
> > According to Tuesday's complaint, Blagojevich schemed with Rezko,
> > millionaire-fundraiser turned federal witness Stuart Levine and others
> > to get financial benefits for himself and his campaign committee.
>
> > Federal prosecutors said Blagojevich and the chairman of his campaign
> > committee have been speeding up corrupt fundraising activities in the
> > last month to get as much money as possible before the end of the year
> > when a new law would curtail his ability to raise contributions from
> > companies with state contracts worth more than $50,000.
>
> > According to the affidavit, agents learned Blagojevich was seeking
> > $2.5 million in campaign contributions by the end of the year, with a
> > large part allegedly to come from companies and individuals who have
> > gotten state contracts or appointments.
>
> > The affidavit also outlines Blagojevich conversations related to
> > Tribune Co., which has been hoping to sell Wrigley Field, the home of
> > the Chicago Cubs which the publishing giant also owns.
>
> > Blagojevich was quoted in court papers as telling Harris in a
> > profanity laced Nov. 4 conversation that his recommendation to Tribune
> > executives was to fire the editorial writers "and get us some
> > editorial support."
>
> > Harris is quoted as telling the governor Nov. 11 that an unnamed
> > Tribune Owner, presumably CEO Sam Zell, "got the message and is very
> > sensitive to the issue."
>
> > The affidavit said Harris quoted a Tribune financial adviser as saying
> > cuts were coming at the newspaper and "reading between the lines he's
> > going after that section," apparently meaning editorial writers.
> > Blagojevich is quoted as saying: "Oh, that's fantastic."
>
> > "Wow," Blagojevich allegedly replied. "Keep our fingers crossed.
> > You're the man. Good job, John."
>
> > Harris allegedly told Blagojevich in his conversation with the
> > financial adviser he had singled out deputy editorial page editor John
> > McCormick as "somebody who was the most biased and unfair."
>
> > After hearing that, Blagojevich allegedly stressed to the head of a
> > Chicago sports consulting firm that it was important to provide state
> > aid for a Wrigley Field sale.
>
> > Blagojevich took the chief executive's office in 2003 as a reformer
> > promising to clean up former Gov. George Ryan's mess.
>
> > Ryan, a Republican, is serving a 6-year prison sentence after being
> > convicted on racketeering and fraud charges. A decade-long
> > investigation began with the sale of driver's licenses for bribes and
> > led to the conviction of dozens of people who worked for Ryan when he
> > was secretary of state and governor.
>
> > FBI spokesman Frank Bochte said federal agents arrested the governor
> > and Harris simultaneously at their homes at 6:15 a.m. and took them to
> > the Chicago FBI headquarters.
>
> > He did not have any details about Blagojevich's arrest, only that he
> > was cooperative with federal agents.
>
> > "It was a very calm setting," he said.
>
> > The governor was to appear later Tuesday before U.S. Magistrate Judge
> > Nan Nolan to answer the charges. The time was not immediately set.
>
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_re_us/blagojevich_corruptio...
>
> I am surprised you are not complaining about the political motivations
> of this prosecutor; after all, that what you complained about
> vehemently when he was going after Scooter Libby.
>
> By the way, if you would actually READ and UNDERSTAND the indictment,
> you will see that he was unhappy with Obama so there is nothing that
> touches Obama here so don't even try to go there.
>
> I trust Patrick Fitzgerald, the absolute best prosecutor in the United
> States.  He is thorough and relentless and totally ethical.  I hope he
> nails the guy.
>
> We Democrats got rid of Jefferson last week and now we are ridding
> ourselves of this guy.  Meanwhile, Scooter Libby was pardoned totally
> by Bush.

Here is the transcript from the conversation between the sleezbag
governor and the Obama campaign:

Sleezebag governor:  I have a senate seat that I am going to offer to
the highest bidder.  What will you give me for it?

Obama campaign:  In case you haven't heard governor, Obama is not
interested in the senate seat as he has accepted other employment.

On Dec 11, 8:20 pm, "TR" <t...@trrr6555.com> wrote:
> <travis...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:deca4901-50c5-4ce0-854c-349611469df8@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> If he is corrupt believe me Patrick Fitzgerald will get him but as
> >> unbelieveable as it may sound, there are some honest politicians in
> >> Chicago
>
> >> I will be deeply disappointed if Obama took part in any of this but I
> >> am going to give him the benefit of the doubt right now
>
> > I'm sure he stayed above this.  But, you don't get anywhere in
> > Illinois politics without being corrupt to some extent...that's just a
> > fact.
>
> That's total bullshit.

Wait and watch.  Illinois politics is THOROUGHLY corrupt.

Trav

> That's kind of a blanket statement.  Sure there seems to be a lot of
> corruption in Illinois but that doesnt' mean everyone is corrupt.  The
> Republican governor is in jail over corruption and there are a lot of
> Republicans who has been convicted of corruption but I would never say
> that Everett Dirkson was corrupt.

LOL...the GOP governor is in jail and the Dem is going to jail.

The system up there is corrupt, Chicago is the worst.  Mr. Fixit Rahm
Emmanuel has some connection to these guys too.

This is a scandal unfolding that the nation really just doesn't need.
O'bamma is going to have to fire someone before this gets much
further, mark my words.  I can't believe the Messiah was this naive or
maybe it was by necessity.

Trav

On Dec 9, 6:15 pm, bushlyed <bushl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 9, 12:27 pm, Pops Mear <PopsM...@here.usa> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > If only Democrats had a Code of Omerta like the Nazi Republican
> > Mafias...unregulated Holy Capitalism is A Good Thing but ONLY if you
> > shout "Jesus"
>
> > Ill. Gov. arrested in Obama successor probe
>
> > By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer Mike Robinson, Associated
> > Press Writer – 27 mins ago
>
> > CHICAGO – Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on Tuesday on
> > charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the U.S. Senate
> > seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest
> > bidder.
>
> > Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold
> > state assistance to Tribune Co., the owner of the Chicago Tribune, in
> > the sale of Wrigley Field, according to a federal criminal complaint.
> > In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members
> > of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired.
>
> > A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor was
> > intercepted on court-authorized wiretaps over the last month
> > conspiring to sell or trade the vacant Senate seat for personal
> > benefits for himself and his wife, Patti.
>
> > Otherwise, Blagojevich considered appointing himself. The affidavit
> > said that as late as Nov. 3, he told his deputy governor that if
> > "they're not going to offer me anything of value I might as well take
> > it."
>
> > "I'm going to keep this Senate option for me a real possibility, you
> > know, and therefore I can drive a hard bargain," Blagojevich allegedly
> > said later that day, according to the affidavit, which also quoted him
> > as saying in a remark punctuated by profanity that the seat was "a
> > valuable thing — you just don't give it away for nothing."
>
> > The affidavit said Blagojevich also discussed getting a substantial
> > salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation or an organization
> > affiliated with labor unions.
>
> > It said Blagojevich also talked about getting his wife placed on
> > corporate boards where she might get $150,000 a year in director's
> > fees.
>
> > He also allegedly discussed getting campaign funds for himself or
> > possibly a post in the president's cabinet or an ambassadorship once
> > he left the governor's office. He noted becoming a U.S. senator might
> > remake his image for a possible presidential run in 2016, according to
> > the affidavit. And he allegedly said a Senate seat would also provide
> > him with corporate contacts if he needed a job and present an
> > opportunity for his wife to work as a lobbyist.
>
> > "I want to make money," the affidavit quotes him as saying in one
> > conversation.
>
> > The affidavit said Blagojevich expressed frustration at being "stuck"
> > as governor and that he would have access to greater resources if he
> > were indicted while in the U.S. Senate than while sitting as governor.
>
> > U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said in a statement that "the
> > breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering."
>
> > "They allege that Blagojevich put a for sale sign on the naming of a
> > United States senator," Fitzgerald said."
>
> > Messages left for Blagojevich spokesman Lucio Guerrero and at the
> > governor's press office were not immediately returned Tuesday morning.
>
> > Among those being considered for the Senate post include U.S. Reps.
> > Danny Davis and Jesse Jackson Jr.
>
> > The affidavit outlined a Nov. 10 call between Blagojevich, his wife,
> > his chief of staff — John Harris, who also was arrested Tuesday — and
> > a group of advisers in which Harris allegedly suggested working out an
> > agreement with the Service Employees International Union.
>
> > Under the plan, Blagojevich would appoint a new senator who would be
> > helpful to the president-elect and in turn get a job as head of Change
> > to Win, a group formed by the union. The union would get an
> > unspecified favor from Obama later.
>
> > Nothing in the court papers suggested Obama had any part in the
> > discussion. In fact, Blagojevich allegedly said in the same
> > conversation that Obama most likely would not appoint him as secretary
> > of health and human services or to an ambassadorship because of the
> > negative publicity that has surrounded the governor for three years.
>
> > One day later, according to the affidavit, Blagojevich allegedly told
> > an associate he knew Obama wanted a specific Senate candidate but
> > "they're not going to give me anything except appreciation." He
> > finished the remark with an expletive.
>
> > Blagojevich also was charged with using his authority as governor in
> > an attempt to squeeze out campaign contributions.
>
> > Corruption in the Blagojevich administration has been the focus of a
> > federal investigation involving an alleged $7 million scheme aimed at
> > squeezing kickbacks out of companies seeking business from the state.
> > Federal prosecutors have acknowledged they're also investigating
> > "serious allegations of endemic hiring fraud" under Blagojevich, who
> > has a $177,412 salary, though it's unclear whether he accepts the
> > total.
>
> > Political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko who raised money for the
> > campaigns of both Blagojevich and Obama is awaiting sentencing after
> > being convicted of fraud and other charges. Blagojevich's chief
> > fundraiser, Christopher G. Kelly, is due to stand trial early next
> > year on charges of obstructing the Internal Revenue Service.
>
> > According to Tuesday's complaint, Blagojevich schemed with Rezko,
> > millionaire-fundraiser turned federal witness Stuart Levine and others
> > to get financial benefits for himself and his campaign committee.
>
> > Federal prosecutors said Blagojevich and the chairman of his campaign
> > committee have been speeding up corrupt fundraising activities in the
> > last month to get as much money as possible before the end of the year
> > when a new law would curtail his ability to raise contributions from
> > companies with state contracts worth more than $50,000.
>
> > According to the affidavit, agents learned Blagojevich was seeking
> > $2.5 million in campaign contributions by the end of the year, with a
> > large part allegedly to come from companies and individuals who have
> > gotten state contracts or appointments.
>
> > The affidavit also outlines Blagojevich conversations related to
> > Tribune Co., which has been hoping to sell Wrigley Field, the home of
> > the Chicago Cubs which the publishing giant also owns.
>
> > Blagojevich was quoted in court papers as telling Harris in a
> > profanity laced Nov. 4 conversation that his recommendation to Tribune
> > executives was to fire the editorial writers "and get us some
> > editorial support."
>
> > Harris is quoted as telling the governor Nov. 11 that an unnamed
> > Tribune Owner, presumably CEO Sam Zell, "got the message and is very
> > sensitive to the issue."
>
> > The affidavit said Harris quoted a Tribune financial adviser as saying
> > cuts were coming at the newspaper and "reading between the lines he's
> > going after that section," apparently meaning editorial writers.
> > Blagojevich is quoted as saying: "Oh, that's fantastic."
>
> > "Wow," Blagojevich allegedly replied. "Keep our fingers crossed.
> > You're the man. Good job, John."
>
> > Harris allegedly told Blagojevich in his conversation with the
> > financial adviser he had singled out deputy editorial page editor John
> > McCormick as "somebody who was the most biased and unfair."
>
> > After hearing that, Blagojevich allegedly stressed to the head of a
> > Chicago sports consulting firm that it was important to provide state
> > aid for a Wrigley Field sale.
>
> > Blagojevich took the chief executive's office in 2003 as a reformer
> > promising to clean up former Gov. George Ryan's mess.
>
> > Ryan, a Republican, is serving a 6-year prison sentence after being
> > convicted on racketeering and fraud charges. A decade-long
> > investigation began with the sale of driver's licenses for bribes and
> > led to the conviction of dozens of people who worked for Ryan when he
> > was secretary of state and governor.
>
> > FBI spokesman Frank Bochte said federal agents arrested the governor
> > and Harris simultaneously at their homes at 6:15 a.m. and took them to
> > the Chicago FBI headquarters.
>
> > He did not have any details about Blagojevich's arrest, only that he
> > was cooperative with federal agents.
>
> > "It was a very calm setting," he said.
>
> > The governor was to appear later Tuesday before U.S. Magistrate Judge
> > Nan Nolan to answer the charges. The time was not immediately set.
>
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_re_us/blagojevich_corruptio...
>
> I am surprised you are not complaining about the political motivations
> of this prosecutor; after all, that what you complained about
> vehemently when he was going after Scooter Libby.
>
> By the way, if you would actually READ and UNDERSTAND the indictment,
> you will see that he was unhappy with Obama so there is nothing that
> touches Obama here so don't even try to go there.
>
> I trust Patrick Fitzgerald, the absolute best prosecutor in the United
> States.  He is thorough and relentless and totally ethical.  I hope he
> nails the guy.
>
> We Democrats got rid of Jefferson last week and now we are ridding
> ourselves of this guy.  Meanwhile, Scooter Libby was pardoned totally
> by Bush.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"We" Democrats??? LOL. You aren't part of the team, dude.

Trav