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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:23:59 -0500, Alan Smithee
<AlanSmithee@nospam.nul> wrote:

You are wondering if something will happen to you?

Alan Smithee wrote:
> Sept. 13, 2007, 5:55AM
> Texas City GI who died had criticized war in Iraq
> Death of troops to heighten debate after their editorial appeared in
> papers

It's interesting that at least one of them died when the brakes failed 
on the truck he was riding in, and it slid off a highway overpass during 
an "instant checkpoint".  That's the kind of clean hit that the CIA can 
*really* take pride in.

Let's just get the hell out and allow all the animals to kill
themselves.  If we don't like the outcome, nuke 'em all and start with
a clean slate.  Why is this so hard to see?  Is it that some friends
won't make a railcar load of money?



On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:23:59 -0500, Alan Smithee
<AlanSmithee@nospam.nul> wrote:

>
>Sept. 13, 2007, 5:55AM
>Texas City GI who died had criticized war in Iraq
>Death of troops to heighten debate after their editorial appeared in
>papers
>
>By DANE SCHILLER
>Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle 
>
>The sharp words of a Texas City soldier who was critical of the war in
>Iraq and killed there this week may continue to echo in Washington.
>
>Sgt. Omar Mora and six other enlisted soldiers, including one who was
>killed in the same non-combat accident Monday, recently signed a bold,
>public letter in which they questioned whether the war in Iraq can be
>won militarily.
>
>The letter � published as a column sharing the view of a group of
>soldiers in battle � was referenced in a Senate hearing this week in
>which Gen. David Petraeus delivered an update on the war.
>
>It was first printed in The New York Times on Aug. 19 and later picked
>up by the Houston Chronicle and other outlets.
>
>"They will soon realize that the best way to regain dignity is to call
>us what we are � an army of occupation � and force our withdrawal,"
>the letter says of the Iraqi people. "We need not talk about our
>morale," it concludes. "As committed soldiers, we will see this
>mission through."
>
>Mora's family, Ecuadoran immigrants, said the 28-year-old was
>exhausted by Iraq and wanted to put the war behind him when he was due
>to return to the United States in November.
>
>"He told me, 'Mama, I am tired, I am so tired. I want to come home,' "
>his mother, Olga Capetillo, recalled of a recent phone conversation.
>
>"I told him to believe in God, and he will bring you home safe and
>sound," she said in Spanish through sobs. "My son is an American who
>gave his life for this country."
>
>Mora's brother, Roger Mora, said nobody should doubt his patriotism.
>
>"I think it was a very courageous decision not just on the part of my
>brother, but all the soldiers to voice their opinion," Roger Mora
>said. "We as Americans have that ability, that is very privileged," he
>continued.
>
>He declined to share the family's views on the war, but they were
>unaware of his having any trouble with other soldiers after it was
>published.
>
>In addition to Mora, the letter was signed by Spc. Buddhika Jayamaha;
>Sgt. Wesley D. Smith; Sgt. Jeremy Roebuck; Sgt. Edward Sandmeier;
>Staff Sgt. Jeremy A. Murphy and Staff Sgt. Yance T. Gray, who was
>killed along with Mora.
>
>A woman who answered the phone at the Gray family home said she was
>was exhausted by the emotion of losing her son and could not talk.
>
>Lt. Col. Jonathan Withington, a Pentagon spokesman, said soldiers have
>a right to speak their minds.
>
>"Regarding freedom of speech, service members may exercise their right
>to free speech and speak to the media as long as they are voicing
>their opinion," Withington said.
>
>Judith LeBlanc, co-chairperson for United For Peace and Justice, a
>nationwide coalition to end the war, said the soldiers' letter as well
>as their deaths will add to the war debate.
>
>"Their deaths are going to arouse people's awareness that this war is
>not able to be won militarily, but in fact the only solution � as they
>argued in the op-ed piece � is a political solution," LeBlanc said.
>
>"I am hoping when people hear about the passing of these soldiers,
>they will decide to call their congressperson and be part of speaking
>out as they need to do," she said.
>
>A third author of the letter was reportedly shot in the head and is
>expected to survive. Citing privacy laws, the Pentagon declined to
>confirm the injury.
>
>
>
>
>http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5130698.html
>
>
>"Devotees of grammatical studies have not been distinguished for any
>very remarkable felicities of expression."    - Amos Bronson Alcott

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:34:41 -0500, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:23:59 -0500, Alan Smithee
><AlanSmithee@nospam.nul> wrote:
>
>You are wondering if something will happen to you?

Zero, you will always be safe in your armchair cheering for a war that
you will never join...

Excellent suggestion.  If the gutless American people will let the
Bush Crime Family get away with all this BS, surely a Presidential
nuclear mass extermination of countries won't even knock Britney's
latest meltdown off the front page.


On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:54:30 GMT, Al Giazirra
<thatsme@realitalianlastname.com> wrote:

>Let's just get the hell out and allow all the animals to kill
>themselves.  If we don't like the outcome, nuke 'em all and start with
>a clean slate.  Why is this so hard to see?  Is it that some friends
>won't make a railcar load of money?
>
>
>
>On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:23:59 -0500, Alan Smithee
><AlanSmithee@nospam.nul> wrote:
>
>>
>>Sept. 13, 2007, 5:55AM
>>Texas City GI who died had criticized war in Iraq
>>Death of troops to heighten debate after their editorial appeared in
>>papers
>>
>>By DANE SCHILLER
>>Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle 
>>
>>The sharp words of a Texas City soldier who was critical of the war in
>>Iraq and killed there this week may continue to echo in Washington.
>>
>>Sgt. Omar Mora and six other enlisted soldiers, including one who was
>>killed in the same non-combat accident Monday, recently signed a bold,
>>public letter in which they questioned whether the war in Iraq can be
>>won militarily.
>>
>>The letter � published as a column sharing the view of a group of
>>soldiers in battle � was referenced in a Senate hearing this week in
>>which Gen. David Petraeus delivered an update on the war.
>>
>>It was first printed in The New York Times on Aug. 19 and later picked
>>up by the Houston Chronicle and other outlets.
>>
>>"They will soon realize that the best way to regain dignity is to call
>>us what we are � an army of occupation � and force our withdrawal,"
>>the letter says of the Iraqi people. "We need not talk about our
>>morale," it concludes. "As committed soldiers, we will see this
>>mission through."
>>
>>Mora's family, Ecuadoran immigrants, said the 28-year-old was
>>exhausted by Iraq and wanted to put the war behind him when he was due
>>to return to the United States in November.
>>
>>"He told me, 'Mama, I am tired, I am so tired. I want to come home,' "
>>his mother, Olga Capetillo, recalled of a recent phone conversation.
>>
>>"I told him to believe in God, and he will bring you home safe and
>>sound," she said in Spanish through sobs. "My son is an American who
>>gave his life for this country."
>>
>>Mora's brother, Roger Mora, said nobody should doubt his patriotism.
>>
>>"I think it was a very courageous decision not just on the part of my
>>brother, but all the soldiers to voice their opinion," Roger Mora
>>said. "We as Americans have that ability, that is very privileged," he
>>continued.
>>
>>He declined to share the family's views on the war, but they were
>>unaware of his having any trouble with other soldiers after it was
>>published.
>>
>>In addition to Mora, the letter was signed by Spc. Buddhika Jayamaha;
>>Sgt. Wesley D. Smith; Sgt. Jeremy Roebuck; Sgt. Edward Sandmeier;
>>Staff Sgt. Jeremy A. Murphy and Staff Sgt. Yance T. Gray, who was
>>killed along with Mora.
>>
>>A woman who answered the phone at the Gray family home said she was
>>was exhausted by the emotion of losing her son and could not talk.
>>
>>Lt. Col. Jonathan Withington, a Pentagon spokesman, said soldiers have
>>a right to speak their minds.
>>
>>"Regarding freedom of speech, service members may exercise their right
>>to free speech and speak to the media as long as they are voicing
>>their opinion," Withington said.
>>
>>Judith LeBlanc, co-chairperson for United For Peace and Justice, a
>>nationwide coalition to end the war, said the soldiers' letter as well
>>as their deaths will add to the war debate.
>>
>>"Their deaths are going to arouse people's awareness that this war is
>>not able to be won militarily, but in fact the only solution � as they
>>argued in the op-ed piece � is a political solution," LeBlanc said.
>>
>>"I am hoping when people hear about the passing of these soldiers,
>>they will decide to call their congressperson and be part of speaking
>>out as they need to do," she said.
>>
>>A third author of the letter was reportedly shot in the head and is
>>expected to survive. Citing privacy laws, the Pentagon declined to
>>confirm the injury.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5130698.html
>>
>>
>>"Devotees of grammatical studies have not been distinguished for any
>>very remarkable felicities of expression."    - Amos Bronson Alcott

In dfw.singles Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:

> As long as you don't mind Iran, Russia and China controlling the global 
> economy, and $6/gal gas, that's not a bad idea.

"As long as you don't mind all of Southeast Asia and Indonesia
falling like dominoes to the Communists, that's not a bad idea."

Come up with some new material.

In article <0T4djlo4I5jhN34@redshark.goodshow.net>,
 Infamous Other Chris <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:

> In dfw.singles Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
> 
> > As long as you don't mind Iran, Russia and China controlling the global 
> > economy, and $6/gal gas, that's not a bad idea.
> 
> "As long as you don't mind all of Southeast Asia and Indonesia
> falling like dominoes to the Communists, that's not a bad idea."

As you may recall, the Vietnam war was not over energy issues, or 
religious fundamentalism with an announced and practiced imperialistic 
mandate.

Vietnam, as you ay recall, was preceded by the Korean conflict. That was 
never resolved, we are still technically at war with N. Korea. South 
Korea, a defeat for leftists, enjoys more freedom than S. Vietnam

As to spread of Communism, I believe the post-Vietnam era was marked by 
Communism's greatest global spread, but I'm sure you can prove that 
wrong.

> Come up with some new material.

I sometimes get the feeling that there is a lot new to you.

In dfw.singles Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
> In article <0T4djlo4I5jhN34@redshark.goodshow.net>,
> Infamous Other Chris <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In dfw.singles Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
>> 
>> > As long as you don't mind Iran, Russia and China controlling the global 
>> > economy, and $6/gal gas, that's not a bad idea.
>> 
>> "As long as you don't mind all of Southeast Asia and Indonesia
>> falling like dominoes to the Communists, that's not a bad idea."
> 
> As you may recall, the Vietnam war was not over energy issues, or 
> religious fundamentalism with an announced and practiced imperialistic 
> mandate.

As you may recall, so what? Your ilk were drama queens then and
you're drama queens now. Not to mention serially and catastrophically
wrong.

Infamous Other Chris wrote:

> In dfw.singles Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
>> In article <0T4djlo4I5jhN34@redshark.goodshow.net>,
>> Infamous Other Chris <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> In dfw.singles Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > As long as you don't mind Iran, Russia and China controlling the global
>>> > economy, and $6/gal gas, that's not a bad idea.
>>> 
>>> "As long as you don't mind all of Southeast Asia and Indonesia
>>> falling like dominoes to the Communists, that's not a bad idea."
>> 
>> As you may recall, the Vietnam war was not over energy issues, or
>> religious fundamentalism with an announced and practiced imperialistic
>> mandate.
> 
> As you may recall, so what? Your ilk were drama queens then and
> you're drama queens now. Not to mention serially and catastrophically
> wrong.

All the wars since WWII have been essentially trade wars.

-- 
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.

In article <3T4dkjoqIdqjN34@redshark.goodshow.net>,
 Infamous Other Chris <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:

> In dfw.singles Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
> > In article <0T4djlo4I5jhN34@redshark.goodshow.net>,
> > Infamous Other Chris <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >> In dfw.singles Al <albert.finney000@geemail.coom> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > As long as you don't mind Iran, Russia and China controlling the global 
> >> > economy, and $6/gal gas, that's not a bad idea.
> >> 
> >> "As long as you don't mind all of Southeast Asia and Indonesia
> >> falling like dominoes to the Communists, that's not a bad idea."
> > 
> > As you may recall, the Vietnam war was not over energy issues, or 
> > religious fundamentalism with an announced and practiced imperialistic 
> > mandate.
> 
> As you may recall, so what? Your ilk were drama queens then and
> you're drama queens now. Not to mention serially and catastrophically
> wrong.

Yes,  am familiar with your rather soft feelings towards "enemies" of 
the past, such as communism. It is not unusual for a committed marxist 
to feel that way, but it colors your perception of the nature of threat 
in such a way as to make your breathless, drama-queen view of history, 
and your prognostications, somewhat useless.

But, they are quite entertaining in their youthful fervor, there is 
nothing funnier than proud and vocal ignorance.