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Started by sysadmininc
Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:57
Re: RFC: dfw.commercials
Author: sysadmininc
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:57
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:57
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I disagree with the following item; > 2. You should not post within 30 days of your last message even if you > cancel that previous message. I believe 30 days is too long of a term. I propose a amended term of 7 days. Most articles on a active newsgroup are cycled more often. I would also like to comment that I think articles should not be held beyond a 30 day window. After that time, the information would be deemed stale & out of date. Also there should be allowed posting requesting information on looking for services. (I.E. WTH: Tile or Laminate Floor Installer or Need Good Mechanic) I have proposed this idea initally as a way for people to advertise quasi-commerical services as Nigel has indicated. I would also like for PHYSICAL ITEMS or individual type items to still be listed & posted in the DFW.FORSALE newsgroup. This NEW group would be more geared toward Services & Retail businesses with services included. Do NOT want to see MAJOR Chains or Restaurants using this new group either. On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:05:03 GMT, Nigel Reed <see@www.nelgin.nu-slash-qconfirm.html> wrote: >This will begin a two week discussion period followed by a two week voting >period on dfw.commercials. > >Introduction: >Many people are fulfilling the dream of setting up their own business and wish >to get the word out to many people as possible. Many mistakenly believe >dfw.forsale is the place for these postings. > >Hostile exchanges take place because those who abide by the dfw.forsale >charter of non-commercial postings feel it unfair that others post their >commercial messages there. > >The idea is for small and home based business to post a message about their >store or services and level the playing field for everyone. > >Many people hate the idea of usenet going commercial, however it might be a >sign of the times that it cannot remain in its virgin state. > >Proposed charter for dfw.commercials > >Area of Coverage of dfw.commercials > > This newsgroup is for commercial noticed of goods and services for sale >exclusively in the Dallas / Ft. Worth and surrounding areas. > > dfw.commercials is an unmoderated newsgroup. > >Intended Use of dfw.commercials > > 1. Articles posted in dfw.commercial should be one-time announcements, not > recurring advertisements. Please restrict yourself to short messages with > follow ups to your website. > > 2. You should not post within 30 days of your last message even if you > cancel that previous message. > > 3. Postings should only be made my legitimate businesses. Please do not > advertise any of the following > > 1. Garage sales > 2. Repeated going out of business sales > 3. Work from home schemes > > > 4. This group is for one time posting of commercials. No discussion or > follow-up is allowed. Please direct comments and questions to original > poster. > > 5. Binaries. This is not a binary group. Do not post executable, sound > files, images files, etc. in dfw.commercials > > 6. Cross posting. Please do not cross post into our out of dfw.commercials. > >Topics inappropriate for dfw.commercials. > > The following types of net abuse are severe wastes of bandwidth. As many > smaller sites are connected via slow dial-up links, and may by paying > per-minute charges, this charter allows for the on-sight cancellation > of any of the following abuses: > > 1. "Make Money Fast" (MMF) chain letters and pyramid/Ponzi schemes. Such > schemes are Federal felonies. On Usenet, promoting waste of bandwidth is > the equivalent of a crime because the system would break down if such > activity was left unchecked. > > 2. Binaries, such as uuencoding or MIME base 64. > > 3. MIME/HTML posts, and in particular any posting using a content- encoding > other than 7bit, 8bit, or quoted-printable. Most users reading Usenet do > not use a Web browser, and HTML is difficult or impossible to read to > interpret the content. Some posters who post HTML also include a plain > text version of the message.This is redundant and wasteful. Please save > HTML for the Web. > > 4. "spew", the reposting of old articles with new Message-ID's. > > 5. "test" messages, Please post these to a test newsgroup. > > 6. Excessively multiple-posted articles. > > 7. Cross posted articles. > > 8. Articles that do not have particular relevance to the D/FW Metro Area. > > 9. Flaming, Harassing, or otherwise causing undo discussions in the group. > >This charter permits the dfw.* Usenet News Administrators to cancel any >article posted in the dfw.forsale newsgroup which does not have particular >relevance to the Dallas/Ft. Worth Area, or is in violation of a relevant dfw.* >charter. Any D/FW Metro area resident may send e-mail to the posters news >administrators for dfw.forsale charter violations. > >Article Format > > 1. Articles posted to dfw.forsale MUST be flat-ASCII. This means: > 1. No Binary postings, uuencoded or base64. > 2. No MIME encoded messages. Posts SHOULD be readable by the simplest > text-only newsreader. > 3. No HTML, although HTML-like emoticons are acceptable. > 4. No characters with a value greater than 127 in any part of the post. > > 2. Posts SHOULD be shorter than 30K in size. Longer items SHOULD be made > available for FTP or HTTP download and a pointer to that file posted. > > 3. Posts MUST contain a valid From address, unless the ".invalid" domain > is used (see RFC 1036). Spam blocks are acceptable. By definition USENET > newsgroups are a broadcast medium. If you have a post that needs to be > anonymous, it is not a valid topic for dfw.forsale. Post this material > elsewhere. > > 4. ROT13 encoding SHOULD NOT be used on any field in the headers. Nor > should any attempts, except minimal spam blocks, be made to obscure the > origins of the posting. > > 5. Posts MUST contain a "Abuse-Reports-To:" or "X-Complaints-To:" header > with a valid email address. When RFC1036 is updated, this line SHOULD be > adjusted to comply with the latest specifications. Adding or replacing > this header is the responsibility of the news server where the article > was injected. > >Failing to follow the above formatting requirements could result in an article >being canceled instantly and without warning by an authorized moderation >device (human or otherwise) for the group in question. Articles cross-posted >to other groups and dfw.forsale must still follow the criteria of dfw.forsale >and be subject to these rules. > >Ending Statement. >Questions can be posted to the dfw.general group if you are just unsure and >want to know before doing something. E-Mail us at soho@MaxxCorp.net or check out our Website at http://www.MaxxCorp.net/ or check out our NEW Website at http://www.SysAdminInc.net/
Re: RFC: dfw.commercials
Author: René
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:31
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:31
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sysadmininc wrote: > I disagree with the following item; > >> 2. You should not post within 30 days of your last message even if >> you cancel that previous message. > > I believe 30 days is too long of a term. Let's keep it at 30 days, but rephrase it to "You should not re-post articles with identical content within 30 days..." > I would also like to comment that I think articles should not be held > beyond a 30 day window. After that time, the information would be > deemed stale & out of date. It's not within the powers of a NG proponent to decide that. Some newsservers purge more often, others less. You can go back about a decade on Google Groups. > Also there should be allowed posting > requesting information on looking for services. (I.E. WTH: Tile or > Laminate Floor Installer or Need Good Mechanic) Absolutely. > I have proposed this > idea initally as a way for people to advertise quasi-commerical > services as Nigel has indicated. I would also like for PHYSICAL ITEMS > or individual type items to still be listed & posted in the > DFW.FORSALE newsgroup. Right. "I fix your car and pick up your computer" goes to dfw.commercials, ditto "Looking for somebody to fix my computer and pickup my car". "Car FS, and free computers!" stays in dfw.fs. > This NEW group would be more geared toward > Services & Retail businesses with services included. Agreed. And "Yea". -- This here is my post. Is it not nifty? Worship the post.
Re: RFC: dfw.commercials
Author: Nigel Reed
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:45
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:45
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In dfw.general sysadmininc <sysadmininc@sysadmininc.net> wrote: > I disagree with the following item; > >> 2. You should not post within 30 days of your last message even if you >> cancel that previous message. > > I believe 30 days is too long of a term. I propose a amended term of 7 > days. Most articles on a active newsgroup are cycled more often. I 7 days is way too frequent. Even dfw.forsale specifies 2 weeks. You will probably find the same people posting over and over again. > would also like to comment that I think articles should not be held > beyond a 30 day window. After that time, the information would be You have no say in the matter. The retention time is decided upon by several factors and is down to how each news administrator configures their server. We can suggest a retention time but not enforce one. > deemed stale & out of date. Also there should be allowed posting I doubt information would be stale and out of date. People will be offering services and those prices don't change often, and they'll be offering products whose prices probably don't fluctuate much either. > requesting information on looking for services. (I.E. WTH: Tile or > Laminate Floor Installer or Need Good Mechanic) I have proposed this > idea initally as a way for people to advertise quasi-commerical > services as Nigel has indicated. I would also like for PHYSICAL ITEMS > or individual type items to still be listed & posted in the > DFW.FORSALE newsgroup. This NEW group would be more geared toward Of course, the gray area is...where do I post that I have two button wheel mouses for sale at $4.50 each? Maybe we need to change the group to dfw.services. Most of the examples are for services offered, computer related, laminate flooring, car repair etc. Maybe the use of usenet for commercial sales themselves isn't the right place, but in the services description you can maybe, in your monthly posting, state that "mice are on special for this month while stocks last" or something like that. This would allow general sales and good deals to be announced while while keeping usent clean of commercial sales and still allowing the small business to promote their sales. Of course, this shouldn't leave out the so called "mom & pops" store. Maybe gift shops can describe the products they have without selling the products themselves. > Services & Retail businesses with services included. Do NOT want to > see MAJOR Chains or Restaurants using this new group either. Nope. Thats why I said small and home based businesses. Oh, please break up your paragraphs so it's easy to reply to individual sections, when quoting you it looks a bit disjointed. Regards Nigel -- http://www.sysadmininc.com (My daytime job) http://www.british-expats.com (My spare time) "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own" - the Prisoner.
Re: RFC: dfw.commercials
Author: Nigel Reed
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:45
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:45
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In dfw.usenet.config René <garbagejunkandcrap@hotmail.com> wrote: > Let's keep it at 30 days, but rephrase it to "You should not re-post > articles with identical content within 30 days..." There is a problem here, I'm sure you can see the loophole. How about 'identical or similar' ? as in...don't just rephrase your wording. I could change "I do computer consultancy" to "We're computer consultants". This would be different content but similar in context. Regards Nigel -- http://www.sysadmininc.com (My daytime job) http://www.british-expats.com (My spare time) "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own" - the Prisoner.
Re: RFC: dfw.commercials
Author: René
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:16
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:16
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Nigel Reed wrote: > "I do computer consultancy" to "We're computer consultants". This > would be different content but similar in context. That would be different wording, but still the same content, no? -- This here is my post. Is it not nifty? Worship the post.
Re: RFC: dfw.commercials
Author: Cujo DeSockpuppet
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:20
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:20
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sysadmininc <sysadmininc@sysadmininc.net> wrote in news:d81b5272e05229b50a420b7313dc8530@news.teranews.com: > I disagree with the following item; Too fucking bad, Mary. >> 2. You should not post within 30 days of your last message even if >> you cancel that previous message. > > I believe 30 days is too long of a term. I think once a decade is too often for assholes like you. At that rate I would hope to see you somewhere around 9400 if we count your past spams, Mary. > I propose a amended term of 7 days. I propose you go get fucked with the business end of a rotating wire wheel polisher. I think my proposal will get more positive votes than yours. > Most articles on a active newsgroup are cycled more often. I > would also like to comment that I think articles should not be held > beyond a 30 day window. That's out of your control, dumbfuck. So much for your claim to being around Usenet for years, Mary. > After that time, the information would be > deemed stale & out of date. How about we just give you the group and nobody reads it? That would solve everyones problems. If you feel lonely just whine harder and hope someone comes by to laugh at you. > Also there should be allowed posting > requesting information on looking for services. Whatever I decide to post is allowed. Fuck you, asshole. > (I.E. WTH: Tile or > Laminate Floor Installer or Need Good Mechanic) I have proposed this > idea initally as a way for people to advertise quasi-commerical > services as Nigel has indicated. I forget, is Nigel my suckpuppet or is it the other way around? Looks like you forgot to apoligize for calling me Nigel, you fuckweasel. > I would also like for PHYSICAL ITEMS > or individual type items to still be listed & posted in the > DFW.FORSALE newsgroup. This NEW group would be more geared toward > Services & Retail businesses with services included. Do NOT want to > see MAJOR Chains or Restaurants using this new group either. Why not? The fact is that what a spamming douchebag like you wants has nothing to do with it. You have no power or control. BTW, you're still a top posting fuckwad. -- Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Winner of the 8/2000 & 2/2003 HL&S award. Hail Petitmorte! Colonel of the Fanatic Legion. FL# 555-PLNTY Motto: ABUNDANCE!. Official Slapper of Spamming Mary the Drama Queen. Meow. "Like a child embarrased in front of the class, you try to make the threatening thing a "funny thing", so as not to have to face just how incompetant and fearful you yourself really are." - Edmo demonstrating his incompetance and fear.
Re: RFC: dfw.commercials
Author: Nigel Reed
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:45
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:45
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In dfw.general René <garbagejunkandcrap@hotmail.com> wrote: > Nigel Reed wrote: >> "I do computer consultancy" to "We're computer consultants". This >> would be different content but similar in context. > > That would be different wording, but still the same content, no? Either way you look at it, it's an identical message with different content and similar wording. Basically, no matter how you phrase it, we don't want it. Regards Nigel -- http://www.sysadmininc.com (My daytime job) http://www.british-expats.com (My spare time) "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own" - the Prisoner.
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