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Date:    Tue, 11 Dec 90 11:29
From:    "Norbert Hahn"                              <Y032@DDATHD21.BITNET>
Subject: 3179-G-emulator for MS DOS

Dear networkers,

some weeks ago i asked for a IBM 3179 G emulator for MS DOS. This was
posted to a couple of lists:
  IBMTCP-L@PUCC   TCP-L@IRLEARN   DISSPLA@TAUNIVM    GDDM-L@POLYGRAF
  GRAFIK-L@DEARN

The answers are presented here, some are edited:  Part one deals with
3179 G emulators via Ethernet, the other part contains hints to other
emulators. Many thanks for all the answers...

From: Arno Duijndam <duijndam%svcentld@HDEDH1.BITNET>
> Dear networkers,
>
> what software do i need to connect a PC or PS/2 with MS DOS 3.3 via
> ETHERNET to a IBM 3090.  The main frame operatings systems are
> MVS/ESA with GDDM, TCP/IP package, GDDM-XI, and AIX 370.
>
> Best solution would be some kind of TELNET that emulates a 3179 G,
> *including graphics*.  Is there such a product available ?

Not to my knowledge, there is however a PC-telnet version for IBM-
3278 Terminal emmulation. if you want this you should contact the
firm FTP Software Inc. at 26 Princess ST. , Wakefield, MA 01880.
The Telephone number is 617 246 0900 x348.
You could also ask them for a 3179 G emm. for they are true specialist's
on PC to IBM communications over Ethernet.

> Experiences ?  Which Ethernet card in the PC or PS/2 is supported ?

There are numerous (there are about 600 different version of the PC-
tcp packet) some of the cards supported are : 3com Etherlink, Starlan 10
, but for a complete list contact .....

>
> Another solution i could live with would be KERMIT including a
> Tektronix emulator that allows connection via Ethernet. Is there a
> MS-KERMIT for Ethernet around ?

Yes there is, the newest version of Kermit has BAPI support ( Bridge
Aplication Program Interface) which is compatible with the more
familiar INT14, But !!!!!   it is not Full Screen, so you will have
a problem here.
Hewlett Packard's ARPA services 2.0 has a kermit copy with BAPI in it
We are testing this at this moment. (some things good, a lot of it is
not).

>
> Please send your responses to my address (i haven't subscribed this
> list). I'll post a summary of your responses to the list.
>
> Thanks for your help ................................... Norbert Hahn

We found that a lot of work is still to be done in this field, if you
have any info that could serve us, please let me know.
I hope to have helped you with my answers.
for any further question's you can also write directly to:

Arno Duijndam <duijndam%svcentld@HDEDH1>
Delft Hydraulics
Holland.
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From:         Hobie Audet <AUDET@NBSMICF.BITNET>
Subject:      Telnet 3179 for MSDOS

There are two reasonably good solutions available:

1.   NCSA/Telnet:  This is a free-ware package available from Brad Clements
     at Clarkson University.  (I think there are a couple of other sources,
     too.)  In terms of function, I think it's the best one around.  However,
     it only supports 3278-x terminals, hence no graphics.  (See below.)
     Contact Brad Clements (bkc@omnigate.clarkson.edu or bkc@clgw.bitnet)
     for information on how to get the package.  (Note: The current version
     of the TN3270.EXE program, which does the 3270 emulation and which you'll
     need, has a bug.  Make sure you get the version labelled
     CUTCP/CUTE:2.2TN/TC-B, which, so far, is a beta test version, but which
     seems to work well.)

2.   PC/TCP+ from FTP Software, Inc.:  This one will cost you about $450 per
     copy in small quantities.  Site licenses for larger quantities can lower
     the cost significantly.  PC/TCP+ is also a very good product, although in
     a few areas I don't think it's as good as NCSA/Telnet.  It too emulates a
     3278-x terminal, so no graphics.

The MITEK Corp. has developed a 3192-G emulator which sits on top of PC/TCP+
and gives you full color graphics capabilities.  I haven't tested it yet, so
I'm only passing on what I've heard.  Also, I understand that MITEK intends to
port the package to other PC-based TCP/IP packages, including probably
NCSA/Telnet, which would be terrific.  The local MITEK representative
(Washington, DC area) is Bill Cate, (301)-670-2806.  I'm sure he can put you
in contact with a rep in your area.

Hobie Audet
National Institute of Standards and Technology
Gaithersburg, Maryland 20899
(301)-975-4071
Bitnet:   AUDET@NBSMICF
Internet: audet@micf.nist.gov
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From:         "Richard H. Gumpertz" <rhg@CPSOLV.CPS.COM>

> If anyone knows of a tn3270 (other than Peter DiCamillo's MAC program)
> that supports 3179-G graphics, or even extended attributes, please post to
> the list.

I believe that Mitek makes one that runs on top of PC/TCP from FTP Software.
It may have another version that works with PC-NFS from Sun.

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From:     David McGaughey <EJDAV@TTACS.BITNET>

The TELNET type software that you need is called TN3270.  I use the Macintosh
version all the time.  It works very well.  It is freeware, developed at Brown
University by their Computing and Information Services.  I have been told
that the PC version works equally well.  It supports the 3Com 501 card as well
as others.  If the Ethernet controller to SNA is defined properly (this I have
been told, but I do not know first hand) then your PC becomes a full blown
3279 terminal capable of all the graphics of a 3279 terminal but at Ethernet
speeds.  The Kermit that you ask about I have, but it does not work with any
of the Ethernet cards that I can get my hands on, so I  can not say if it works
or not.  Talk at you later.

David Mc.
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From:              WMCMANUS@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU
Subject: Graphic terminal emulators under ethernet

I used Mitek Corp (Mitek Openconnect Systems Corporation, 2033 Chennault
Drive, Carrollton, Texas 75006 (214) 490-4090 FAX- (214) 490-5052) 3179-G
emmulation in beta release and liked it so well that I purchsed a copy when
the production version came out. I am running this on an IBM AT, ATI VGA card,
NEC Multisync monitor, Western Digital EtherCard Plus ethernet adapter, FTP
Software's TCP/IP for DOS and connecting to an IBM 4341 running VM. Not only
do I like their product but they have been a very reasonable vendor to deal
with. Hope this helps.

William J. McManus          Internet:WMCMANUS@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU
SAS Dean's Office             Bitnet:WMCMANUS@PENNSAS
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA  19104
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From:         "Dr. G. Richter" <URZ07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>

1. MS-KERMIT im Netz funktioniert im LAN :ber TCP/IP im Zusammenhang
   mit PC/TCP 2.04 der Fa. FTP Software Inc., und zwar mit dem
   tnglass telnet - Programm.

2. Ein IBM Grafikterminal kann man im LAN und nicht nur dort mit
   dem IBM 3270PCS - Programm erprobterweise emulieren. Dies gilt
   auch f:r Ethernet, wenn Sie dort ein DLC - kompatibles Produkt
   im PC einsetzen und Ihr Ethernet :ber eine Ethernet/Token Ring
   MAC - Level Bridge an Ihren Mainframe koppeln ( zB. :ber eine
   3174 mit Gateway Feature ).
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From: "BERRIDGE, Steve"                              <BERRIDGE@SLACVM.BITNET>
To:   Y032
Subject: PC

Norbert -

  I have just begun looking into the same type of set up and this is what
I know so far.  One of the most common software packages used for TCP/IP
and elnet communications is apparently NCSA Telnet for the PC and is public
domain software.  Your computer center should have a copy. Common hardware
are EtherCard (s) from Western Digital.

Good luck,

Steve
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From:         Dick Karpinski <dick@CCNEXT.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TCP/IP and logical devices

Interesting question.  Making a TCP solution for this is clearly
possible; it's a mere matter of programming.  We are getting some
call for local printing on an IBM PC from CMS over the Ethernet,
since some have enjoyed such facilities in Yale's Y-TERM serial
terminal emulator product.  At first, I said, "No way, not all
Telnet machines have a common way to get to their printers, so
it has to be a custom job for each kind of desk located machine."

That's true, but there is the example of the Brown Univ. tn3270
for the Mac which also supports upload/download/print from inside
the Telnet session.  I know of no such thing for the IBM PC, but
if you hear of one, please let me know.  I suspect that the Brown
sources would be available for porting to a PC based tn3270 if
someone were ready to do the programming.  We might even be able
to join a consortium to create such a thing if such were formed.

Does anyone else see a need for such an enhancement of current
networking software?

We would also like both the Mac and the PC to have telnet code
with similar facilities for use with Unix based servers.

We would also be interested in finding a telnet which (like
tn3270) looked like one terminal to the distant host but used
the current terminal definition on the local host so the odd
user with a Wombat 4000 terminal need only get the local host
to recognize hir terminal type.  Our present need is for one
which looks like a VT100 to the distant host.  Know of one?

Dick

Dick Karpinski  Minicomputer Manager, UCSF Information Technology Services
Domain: dick@cca.ucsf.edu  FAX: (415) 476-9537 (415) 476-4529 (11-7)
BITNET: dick@ucsfcca or dick@ucsfvm            (415) 658-6803 (Home)
USPS:  U-76 UCSF, San Francisco, CA 94143-0704 (415) 658-3797 (ans)
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From:         Doug Nelson <08071TCP@MSU.BITNET>

>I've installed IBM's PC TCPIP.  How are other people supporting the large
>number of Ethernet boards out there?   Does anyone have device drivers
>for Novell and/or Cabltron boards?  Do I need to go with someone elses
>version of Telnet to support these boards, like NFS?
>
>We're just beginning to try to connect our Novell network to our VM and
>VAX systems.  Most of my experience is with 7171's and 3274 type attach-
>ments to our IBM system.  Thanks in advance for any help!

You'll get more and better answers to a query like this on the PCIP list
(pcip@udel.edu; send to pcip-request@udel.edu to subscribe).

The general answer is, yes, you want to go with another version of TCP/IP
for the PC.  Several good commercial implementations exist; we're using
PC/TCP from FTP Software (send to info@ftp.com).  They support more than
20 different boards with their own drivers, and many more with public
domain or manufacturer-supplied drivers.  Several public domain
implementations also exist, such as the one from NCSA.  Support for the
many different boards is being provided more and more by a driver, often
supplied by the manufacturer, which supports one of several specs for
interfacing to the applications.  Two of the predominant specs are FTP
Software's packet driver spec, and NDIS.

This is just an overview, and probably just enough to whet your appetite.
Happy hunting!

Doug Nelson
Network Software Manager
Michigan State University
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From:         Melvin Klassen <KLASSEN@UVVM.UVIC.CA>

>Another solution i could live with would be KERMIT including a
>Tektronix emulator that allows connection via Ethernet. Is there a
>MS-KERMIT for Ethernet around ?
>
Version 3.02 of MS-KERMIT supports the
  SET PORT EBIOS
and
  SET PORT NetBIOS
commands.
So, it does support Ethernet.
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From:         Steve Howie <SCOTTY@VM.UOGUELPH.CA>

We purchased a 3179G emulator from a company in the U.S. which runs on top
of FTP Software's PC/TCP. It works *very* well indeed. The 3179 graphics is
implemented over a Telnet connection to VM TCP/IP. Kind of expensive, but
works great! No changes to VM TCP/IP needed.

    Address:
        Mitek OpenConnect Systems
        2033 Chennault Drive
        Carroloton, Texas
        USA    75006

    Phone:
        214-490-4090
    FAX:
        214-490-5052

Hope this helps,

Scotty
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From:         Bruce Crabill <BRUCE@UMDD.BITNET>

Funny you should bring this subject up.  At UMD, we are in the process of
doing this.  We have modified the MD-PC/IP code to include support for
printers.  Unlike the Peter's code from Brown (who does printing from
within the 3270 data stream), we have taken the approach of making the
PC support a network printing protocol as a server.  This allows it to be
used with things other than IBMs and also allows it to be used with IBM
environments other than VM.  Specifically, our total package addresses
printing from CICS under MVS.  We are experimenting with several approaches
for this.  I'm writing a VTAM application that converts the LU1 or LU3
data stream into something that can be sent out via a TCP/IP network
printer protocol.  We are also looking about SNA gateway solutions from
DEC and doing something on a RT or RS/6000 using AIX.  The network printing
protocol we use is NOT LPR.  LPR is a turkey protocol.  Our current work
is oriented towards a UMD modified MDQS system (which was originally
written for Unix systems at BRL).  We have developed a new network
protocol for the MDQS system (which is basically a queue management system)
that is more generic and not Unix specific like LPR is.  It has a very
SMTPish flavor and is fairly easy to implement.  We are cleaning up the
Unix version and will be making it available in the not too distant
future.  My NETPRINT program for VM already supports this protocol.

                                       Bruce
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From:         Michael Haberler <mah@WU-WIEN.AC.AT>

We are working on an IBM3179 emulation using X11.

It will show up on expo.lcs.mit.edu sometime this fall; it's not in shape
for distribution yet.

Status:
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- Graphics emulation works nice with GDDM and SAS
- emulates 3179 model 2,3,4 and 5; no graphics and extended attributes
  on model 4 or 5
- extended attributes support
- X Resource manager used for keyboard mapping and defaults
- currently only one font based on Robert Viduya's 3270tool.
- no programmed symbol sets (yet).
- based on other tn3270's, so usual copyright restrictions apply

Platforms:
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- development on DecStation 3100 and Hewlett-Packard 9000/835
- works on Interactive/386; will work better when the Interactive
  X11R4 libraries are out
- `port' to SCO Unix planned

Prerequisites:
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- X11 Release 4 libraries: libX.a, libXt.a, libXaw.a
- BSD sockets
- host connection works via IBM-TCP and the telnet3270 protocol. This means
  you need FAL or something equivalent.

Plans (in order of importance):
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- some graphics emulation are still unimplemented
- X11 Cut+Paste
- APL Support
- multiple fonts (needed for small X screens)

- michael
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University of Economics and Business Administration
Augasse 2-6,  A-1090 Vienna, Austria
Tel: +43 (222) 313-336 x4796 (9-18 CET) 	Fax 347-555
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From:         Richard Layton <RICH@TIFTON.BITNET>

We use GRAPH-TEK software from Teknigraphics
       IBM 3270 Coax cards
   connecting to our IBM 4361 running VM/SP CMS
   with GDDM graphics supported, as well as
        SAS/GRAPH.

We have found GRAPH-TEK to work on some clone PCs (GATEWAY) where IBM's
ENTRY LEVEL, WORKSTATION, and EMULATION software failed.

(All of our PC's are coax attached using IBM cards.)

We are not running ETHERNET.

I have no connection with Teknigraphics, just enjoy using it (on my
PS/2-70/A21).

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From: Peter Sellmair            08153-28904         <RZ85@DLRVM.BITNET>
To:   Y032

An Norbert Hahn

Wir haben bei der DLR in OP zwei Produkte getestet, um }ber TCP/IP
von PS/2-Modellen ans MVS oder VM/CMS zu kommen: einmal IBM TCP/IP for
the PC und dann XONDOS (IBM X-Windows for DOS). Das erste Produkt
emuliert ein normales 3270-Terminal ohne Graphik im Full-Screen-Mode.

Das zweite Produkt emuliert ein X-Window-Terminal. Allerdings ist
dieses Produkt nicht voll in die IBM-Welt eingebettet. F}r MVS und
und VM/CMS fehlt sowas wie das nohup aixterm .... im AIX, das ein
Fenster auf dem PC er|ffnet, in dem man dann die XWINDOW-Anwendung
starten kann. Im VM/CMS kann man sich mit Systemkommandos gut
behelfen, um XWINDOW-Anwendungen trotzdem auf dem PC ausgeben zu
k|nnen, im MVS bin ich nicht weitergekommen (ich wollte ebenfalls
mit GDDMXI arbeiten). XONDOS l{~t auch keinen Full-Screen-Modus zu.
Insgesamt mu~ man sagen, da~ es ein unausgereiftes Produkt ist und
die notwendigen Erweiterungen im MVS und VM fehlen.

An Adaptern haben wir IBM Token Ring, Ungermann Bass PC-NIC Card
(geht f}r IBM MOdell 30-021, nicht aber f}r Modell 30-H21),
Ungermann Bass NICps/2 getestet.

Wir wollen jetzt noch PC/TCP Network Software for DOS von ftp undPC-Xview
von GSS testen.
An einem wieteren Erfahrungsaustausch w{re ich interessiert.

P. Sellmair
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From: a0045@RRZ.UNI-KOELN.DE(Jochen Roderburg)
.... part 1 of text deleted ....
Eine andere Moeglichkeit des TCP/IP-Zugangs zu einem IBM-Mainframe, die
wir hier in Koeln auch benutzen, ist die 3270-Emulation auf
UNIX-Rechnern mit dem (ebenfalls freien) Program tn3270. Dies setzt das
3270-Protokoll fuer *normale* full-screen faehige Terminals um, die an
einem solchen Rechner direkt oder wieder uebers Netz angeschlossen sind.
Bei uns werden nicht am Ethernet angeschlossene PC's ueber serielle
Anschluesse an Terminal-Servern aufs Netz gefuehrt und koennen ueber
solch einen UNIX Vorrechner 3270-Dialog mit der IBM fuehren.
Auch das tn3270 unterstuetzt einen transparenten Modus, ueber den z.B.
Tektronix-Grafik bis zum Endgeraet durchgereicht werden kann.

Wenn Sie noch ergaenzende Fragen haben, duerfen Sie sich gerne nochmal
an mich wenden.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Jochen Roderburg
Regionales Rechenzentrum
Universitaet zu Koeln                Tel.:  0221/470-4564
Robert-Koch-Str. 10                  EARN:  A0045 @ DK0RRZK1 (IBM VM/CMS)
5000 Koeln 41                Internet: ro @ rrz.uni-koeln.de (VAX Ultrix)
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From:     Christopher.J.Tanner@NVE.CRL.AECL.CA
Subject:  Reply to Telnet 3179 for MSDOS

While we are not running an IBM here, we do have some experience with DISSPLA
on a CDC  Cyber 990 and a VAX with an COMPAQ 386s running MS-DOS 4.01 and
a Western Digital Ethernet board. I have used the following terminal emulators
with DISSPLA and TELNET

a) KERMIT for MS-DOS (Available from Kermit Distribution at Columbia Univ)
emulates a TEK 4014.

b) NCSA TELNET  - a standalone TCP/IP package for PC (and MAC) available from
National Centre for SuperCoomputing Applications at UIUC. Emulates a TEK 4014.

c) ZSTEM  - I have forgotten who produced this. emulates a VT340 and Tek 4014.

d) VISTACOM  - available from Control Data. Emulates a TEK 4107 and VT100.

I hope that this is of some help.

Chris Tanner                     tANNERC@nve.crl.aecl.ca
AECL-Chalk River
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