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In article <Dolphn-0403950000000001@slip-2-33.ots.utexas.edu>, Dolphn@mail.utexas.edu (Herb Coleman) writes:
>In article <D4I8qG.D4t@unx.sas.com>, sasdcp@smith.unx.sas.com (David Pope)
>wrote:
>> This is not necessarily true.  Any student regardless of color who
>> is admitted to a college only because of some type of quota
>> or affirmative action, regardless of them meeting the academic
>> requirements, can disrupt the educational process in at least two ways:
>
>So Harvard neads to end their quota for legacies?  SMU & TCU need to quite
>waiving tuition for children of employees?  All colleges need to stop VA
>benifits.

I don't agree with any quota type system.  I don't agree someone should be
admitted just because Mommy or Daddy went there.  If the person is qualified
then they should be treated like any other eligible candidate.
(too bad the world we live in isn't like that)

I don't see any need in waiving ONE of the benefits of working at a school,
but the children of an employee should also have to meet the qualifications
of admittance reqardless of whether they pay tuition or not.

Veterans have DONE a service to their country and therefore deserve their
benefits, but again even veterans should have to be qualified for the
school they attend.

>> Disclaimer:
>> (THIS IS NOT TO SAY ALL STUDENTS ADMITTED UNDER AFFIRMATIVE ACTION)
>> (ARE NOT ACADEMICALLY QUALIFIED!)
>
>> 1.  Some other academically qualified student will be turned down
>>     since there are a limited number of spots.
>
>Affirmative action is not about admitting students who are not qualified.
>The students in Mississippi, met the admissions qualifications but still
>had to have the national guard to get them in the door.  No European -
>American has ever had to endure that.

It was right for the national guard to force that institution to open its
doors to qualified students and the idea of affirmative action, that is
providing those minorities who are academically qualified, but fininicially
unable to attend colleges is a good thing.  However, if entrance standards
are lowered for everyone in an effort to fulifull a quota based on anything
other than academic standings then the good intentions have gone too far
and the good idea has been twisted into something it shouldn't be.

ASIDE: I don't like any of these prefix-American titles.  America is suppose
       to be a melting pot and these prefix-American titles seems to me to
       be an attempt to separate the stew. I don't have a problem with
       someone who is proud of their heritage, but I don't care what color
       your skin is, if your an American then also be proud to be an AN
       AMERICAN, because thats what we all are!  If you look at other parts
       of the world there is a lot of trouble in the many countries simply
       because people are more concerned with being from a particular heritage
       rather then seeing everyone as fellow countrymen/(PC countrypeople :-) )

>> 2.  If the student admitted was not academically qualified then
>>     the student is falsely being put into a situation he/she MAY
>>     not be able to handle.
>>
>>     i.e. If a average student, of any color, is placed into an
>>          environment meant to teach people with 200 IQs no matter
>>          how hard the average student tries he/she will not be
>>          able to learn like the others and would more than likely
>>          become frustrated and quick or fail.
>>          OR
>>          The course would have to be taught at the average
>>          student's level which would cheat all the others out
>>          of their education.
>
>  Big mistake.  You supposing that:
>   1). IQ actually measures something.  It's just a number that was
>applied to a bogus test,
>   2). IQ is the most important factor in student success.  Marilyn Vos
>Savant (IQ 200+) never even finished community college
>
>   3).People are incapable of learning and growing.  Many people start off
>behaind and catch up (just as many start off on top and fall).

      I was only making a point with an example not stating that IQ
      alone means academic success.

RE 1. IQ does measure something, but I agree that it alone does not
      guarantee academic success.

RE 2. There are many other factors that are involved I just used IQ,
      (mistakenly), as an example.

RE 3. I agree people who are capable can learn and grow, but I don't
      subscribe to the idea that everyone is equally able to learn.
      (I expect to be flamed on this one but here goes.)

      Everyone is not given the same abilities. Being able to learn and
      understand is like any other natural ability some have more than
      others. (I'm speaking individuals not by any means ethnic groups)

      If we were comparing any other ability, lets say speed.
      (FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT TRY TO READ MORE INTO THIS EXAMPLE DON'T)
      (ITS AN EXAMPLE NO MORE NO LESS)
      No matter how hard one person trys they will only be able to run
      at a maximum speed that their ability lets them.  There will be
      those whose natural ability if trained will surpass others trying
      their best.  Its just the way it is.