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Re: Up Yours!

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From: Thorsten Altenkirch
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1992 14:22
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In article <28915@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:

   Here at least we agree!! In answer to your earlier question about "what
   should replace the EC" I propose a 2 stage utopia:

   1) The Common Market

I forgot that you were a true believer. Every human activity is
reduced to economy. Is there no other expression of human beings,
like art, culture, moral and social values, no other sorts of
interaction? If we have a European (or whatsoever) community we should
plan and decide things together (e.g. how to organize transport, how
to have a better education,...). No, we shouldn't leave everything to
THE MARKET or to people whose only interest is to make profit. 

   2) Reform of British institutions so that there is no need for Britons to
   rely on the EC to force the guvmint to do things it ought to do on its
   own - the "Social Chapter", sensible immigration policy, environmental
   control etc.

Certainly, but you can't escape the fact that this island is a part of
Europe: geographically, politically and economically. Euro scepticism
will not make this country more independent of European developments
it will just reduce your influence on them. And then: due to the
changes in the east of Europe we need a strong Europe. Missing the
chance of shaping the future now, may result in another era of human
suffering - and Yugoslavia was only the beginning.

--

 Thorsten Altenkirch         	And there's a hand, my trusty fiere,
 Laboratory for Foundations  	   And gie's a hand o' thine,
 of Computer Science 	      	And we'll tak a right guid-willie waught
 University of Edinburgh     	   For auld lang syne!
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From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Subject: Re: Up Yours!
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