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SaPeIsMa wrote:
> "Dave Smith" <adavid.smith@DELETETOREPLYsympatico.ca> wrote in message 
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>> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>> "The General Public: .Are.. Lobotomized Sheep.." <The General 
>>> Public.. Are. Lobotomized 
>>> Sheep....@..711.34512..WBCHNC.News.ukuscan.ca> wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>>> Don't forget Vietnam, where the north VC's crushed the American'
>>>> invaders...and cowardly fools like faghorn where molested in the VC's
>>>> camps.......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Too bad you are a prime example of "lobotomized"
>>> The ONLY reason North Vietnam took over the South was because the 
>>> Dems abandonned the South Vietnamese
>>> After the Tet Offensive, the North Vietnamese KNEW that they had been 
>>> militarily defeated
>>> Their top general admitted as much in his memoirs
>>> That is why the North Vietnamese then put all their propaganda 
>>> efforts into the Paris Peace talks
>>> Because they knew that was the ONLY way for them to have the lefties 
>>> in the US help them snatch a diplomatice victory from the jaws of 
>>> military defeat.
>>
>>
>> To paraphrase what he said to the American general who said that they 
>> never beat the Americans on the battlefield, that is irrelevant. The 
>> fact is that they won. The whole conflict could have been avoided had 
>> there been a plebiscite on the reunification of Vietnam as per the 
>> Geneva Accord, but the US lost interest in the democratic process when 
>> they realized that the North would have won it. Instead, they backed a 
>> corrupt regime simple because it was anti communist, and they later 
>> backed a coup to remove the president. They pulled out of Vietnam 
>> knowing that the South Vietnamese government was corrupt and that they 
>> could never hold off the north.
>>
>> They had their chance to beat the Viet Minh at Dien Bein Phu when the 
>> French requested air strikes against the enemy positions surrounding 
>> the French forces. Instead, they allowed the French to be defeated, 
>> and then ended up losing 60,000 of their own troops, and hundreds of 
>> thousands more wounded, and wasting billions of dollars...... and 
>> lost.  It is a recurring theme. Americans are on the winning side when 
>> they join their friends and allies in a noble cause, but when they go 
>> it alone in major conflicts they end up losing.
> 
> 
> 
> Nice work at revisionism
> Definitely worthy of your namesake from 1984

Yeah yeah yeah.... I guess you found it too hard to rebut the facts so 
you had to resort to a weak minded insult.  The fact is that the French 
asked the US to hit the Vietnamese attackers with an air strike, but the 
US wouldn't do it. The fact is that the Geneva Accord called for a 
plebiscite on reunification, but the US was backing a corrupt South 
Vietnames regime and supported their refusal to hold the vote because 
they new the North would win.  Then they used the Tonkin non-incident as 
an excuse to send in their armed forces, losing  60,000 young American 
lives, hundreds of thousands more wounded, billions of dollars wasted, 
more than a million Vietnamese killed..... and lost the war.