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"Dave Smith" <adavid.smith@DELETETOREPLYsympatico.ca> wrote in message 
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> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" <adavid.smith@DELETETOREPLYsympatico.ca> wrote in message 
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>>> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>> "The General Public: .Are.. Lobotomized Sheep.." <The General Public.. 
>>>> Are. Lobotomized Sheep....@..711.34512..WBCHNC.News.ukuscan.ca> wrote 
>>>> in message news:_6V8l.2288$Db2.1027@edtnps83...
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget Vietnam, where the north VC's crushed the American'
>>>>> invaders...and cowardly fools like faghorn where molested in the VC's
>>>>> camps.......
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Too bad you are a prime example of "lobotomized"
>>>> The ONLY reason North Vietnam took over the South was because the Dems 
>>>> abandonned the South Vietnamese
>>>> After the Tet Offensive, the North Vietnamese KNEW that they had been 
>>>> militarily defeated
>>>> Their top general admitted as much in his memoirs
>>>> That is why the North Vietnamese then put all their propaganda efforts 
>>>> into the Paris Peace talks
>>>> Because they knew that was the ONLY way for them to have the lefties in 
>>>> the US help them snatch a diplomatice victory from the jaws of military 
>>>> defeat.
>>>
>>>
>>> To paraphrase what he said to the American general who said that they 
>>> never beat the Americans on the battlefield, that is irrelevant. The 
>>> fact is that they won. The whole conflict could have been avoided had 
>>> there been a plebiscite on the reunification of Vietnam as per the 
>>> Geneva Accord, but the US lost interest in the democratic process when 
>>> they realized that the North would have won it. Instead, they backed a 
>>> corrupt regime simple because it was anti communist, and they later 
>>> backed a coup to remove the president. They pulled out of Vietnam 
>>> knowing that the South Vietnamese government was corrupt and that they 
>>> could never hold off the north.
>>>
>>> They had their chance to beat the Viet Minh at Dien Bein Phu when the 
>>> French requested air strikes against the enemy positions surrounding the 
>>> French forces. Instead, they allowed the French to be defeated, and then 
>>> ended up losing 60,000 of their own troops, and hundreds of thousands 
>>> more wounded, and wasting billions of dollars...... and lost.  It is a 
>>> recurring theme. Americans are on the winning side when they join their 
>>> friends and allies in a noble cause, but when they go it alone in major 
>>> conflicts they end up losing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nice work at revisionism
>> Definitely worthy of your namesake from 1984
>
> Yeah yeah yeah.... I guess you found it too hard to rebut the facts so you 
> had to resort to a weak minded insult.  The fact is that the French asked 
> the US to hit the Vietnamese attackers with an air strike, but the US 
> wouldn't do it. The fact is that the Geneva Accord called for a plebiscite 
> on reunification, but the US was backing a corrupt South Vietnames regime 
> and supported their refusal to hold the vote because they new the North 
> would win.  Then they used the Tonkin non-incident as an excuse to send in 
> their armed forces, losing  60,000 young American lives, hundreds of 
> thousands more wounded, billions of dollars wasted, more than a million 
> Vietnamese killed..... and lost the war.



Too bad that all that shit has nothing to do with the fact that following 
the failure of the Tet Offensive, the North Vietnamese had de facto been 
demolished in their military endeavor
Something that was confirmed in the memoirs of the commander of the North 
Vietnamese forces
Which is why the North Vietnamese put all their efforts into the Peace 
talks, and the Lefties and the Dems went along and lost diplomatically where 
the military had succeeded.

As I said, revisionist bullshit has always been the forte of the left