🚀 go-pugleaf

SaPeIsMa wrote:
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>>>> They had their chance to beat the Viet Minh at Dien Bein Phu when 
>>>> the French requested air strikes against the enemy positions 
>>>> surrounding the French forces. Instead, they allowed the French to 
>>>> be defeated, and then ended up losing 60,000 of their own troops, 
>>>> and hundreds of thousands more wounded, and wasting billions of 
>>>> dollars...... and lost.  It is a recurring theme. Americans are on 
>>>> the winning side when they join their friends and allies in a noble 
>>>> cause, but when they go it alone in major conflicts they end up losing.
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>>> Nice work at revisionism
>>> Definitely worthy of your namesake from 1984
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>> Yeah yeah yeah.... I guess you found it too hard to rebut the facts so 
>> you had to resort to a weak minded insult.  The fact is that the 
>> French asked the US to hit the Vietnamese attackers with an air 
>> strike, but the US wouldn't do it. The fact is that the Geneva Accord 
>> called for a plebiscite on reunification, but the US was backing a 
>> corrupt South Vietnames regime and supported their refusal to hold the 
>> vote because they new the North would win.  Then they used the Tonkin 
>> non-incident as an excuse to send in their armed forces, losing  
>> 60,000 young American lives, hundreds of thousands more wounded, 
>> billions of dollars wasted, more than a million Vietnamese killed..... 
>> and lost the war.
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> Too bad that all that shit has nothing to do with the fact that 
> following the failure of the Tet Offensive, the North Vietnamese had de 
> facto been demolished in their military endeavor
> Something that was confirmed in the memoirs of the commander of the 
> North Vietnamese forces

If anyone could be accused of revisionism, it would be you. The fact is 
the the US lost the war in Vietnam. The Viet Cong and NVA lost a lot of 
men in the Tet Offensive, but that was in 1968, and the war went on for 
several more years. In 1968 the US lost the highest number of troops in 
Vietnam, and the second worst year for them was 1969, the year after Tet 
when they lost more than they had in the year preceding Tet. That would 
seem to contradict your argument that the North had been militarily 
demolished.


> Which is why the North Vietnamese put all their efforts into the Peace 
> talks, and the Lefties and the Dems went along and lost diplomatically 
> where the military had succeeded.
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They put all their efforts into the peace talks??? The same peace talks 
that they would not attend? Nixon launched Operation Linebacker to force 
them back to the negotiations.  Nixon, BTW, was a Republican who 
campaigned with a promise to get the US out of the war.


> As I said, revisionist bullshit has always been the forte of the left



LOL you get the facts backwards and accuse others of revisionism.