Article View: eunet.followup
Article #585Re: Re: gnu manifesto
From: Frank Rahmani
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1989 11:21
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1989 11:21
61 lines
4169 bytes
4169 bytes
= A lot of people here seem to think that GNU and FSF are great, = to which Mart has protested and I have supported him. Now, in = difference to Mart I have no problems that Stallman refuses to = sell his software. Neither do I think that my computer vendor = should provide all software I need. In those terms FSF is just = another software house, although with quite a different way to = get their products on the market. And see nothing inherently wrong = with being idealistic and giving software away for free. And that's just FSF's achievement! You're working for a company that buys all the expensive software for you (so do I), but there are people around that cannot afford this or are just left alone by their vendors.(I could never in my life have compiled X windows on the Whitechapel MG1 without gcc, because the vendor behaves as if the machines no longer exist).So FSF gives folks the basis on which they can do advanced new developments.Without people making the tools there will be no work done!(Like the development of the Amoeba distributed operating system on beforementioned Whitechapels). = = But what bugs me is: if this guy Stallman is so bright why does he = waste his time more or less reinventing the wheel? Don't we have He just invented quite a different kind of wheel:the free ride! = enough of C compilers and Unix implementations in this world? Definitely no! There's no such thing as the all-complete C compiler = I mean, why doesn't he contribute to the progress in computing = with writing some really new software instead? Or at least in = an area where real improvements still can be done? I work in a = database environment and I would sure appreciate better tools = for interfacing the database and the forms handler. As it now some There was a very sophisticated forms and window manager packet on the net some time ago for databases under UNIX(tm). Also for free and with sources so you can adapt it for your needs. = parts are more or less contraproductive to rules commonly accepted = as good software engineering. But instead of doing something useful = in this area, FSF spend their time making yet another compiler for = an old-fashioned programming language. If database handles is too = much for such a limited organization, why not at least a GNU-Ada or As far as I know GNU Ada is in the works = why not a GNU-Eiffel? Did you ever look into E? Think its for free and better than Eiffel. Even as a company we can't afford to buy Eiffel (and don't want it either) = = Some companies and organizations bring the development further by = introducing new concepts and tools. I don't count FSF as one of them. And some other companies provide the floor and the tools on which capable programmers can do advanced research (yes, even in C!).It strikes me as very awksome that you're angry on FSF because they develope oldfashioned stuff (in your eyes) and not the advanced applications that you are supposed to use and seemingly are not able to write by yourself. You know how the saying goes: Give them a hand and they will take your arm (shoulderblade included). I would like to have included a smiley somewhere here but this cheap unreasonable unrealistic FSF bashing takes away my good mood for today. And by the way I saw some big ads that OSF (e.g. in Germany) is looking for capable programmers. Perhaps a place for you to show how much you can add to the advance of programming science. -- It is better never to have been born. But who among us has such luck? Maintainer's Motto: If we can't fix it, it ain't broke. These opinions are solely mine and in no way reflect those of my employer.
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<972@sering.cwi.nl>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcvax!fmrReferences:
<119@enea.se>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 164d81,5c7b3fa90d56fb27 X-Google-Attributes: gid164d81,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1989-07-16 18:30:13 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcvax!fmr From: fmr@cwi.nl (Frank Rahmani) Newsgroups: eunet.followup Subject: Re: Re: gnu manifesto Message-ID: <972@sering.cwi.nl> Date: 16 Jul 89 11:21:33 GMT References: <119@enea.se> Organization: CWI, Amsterdam Lines: 61 Posted: Sun Jul 16 12:21:33 1989