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Re: Re: gnu manifesto

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From: Frank Rahmani
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1989 11:21
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= A lot of people here seem to think that GNU and FSF are great,
= to which Mart has protested and I have supported him. Now, in
= difference to Mart I have no problems that Stallman refuses to
= sell his software. Neither do I think that my computer vendor
= should provide all software I need. In those terms FSF is just
= another software house, although with quite a different way to
= get their products on the market. And see nothing inherently wrong 
= with being idealistic and giving software away for free.
And that's just FSF's achievement! You're working for a company
that buys all the expensive software for you (so do I), but there
are people around that cannot afford this or are just left alone
by their vendors.(I could never in my life have compiled X windows
on the Whitechapel MG1 without gcc, because the vendor behaves as if
the machines no longer exist).So FSF gives folks the basis on which
they can do advanced new developments.Without people making the tools
there will be no work done!(Like the development of the Amoeba
distributed operating system on beforementioned Whitechapels).
= 
= But what bugs me is: if this guy Stallman is so bright why does he
= waste his time more or less reinventing the wheel? Don't we have
He just invented quite a different kind of wheel:the free ride!
= enough of C compilers and Unix implementations in this world?
Definitely no! There's no such thing as the all-complete C compiler
= I mean, why doesn't he contribute to the progress in computing
= with writing some really new software instead? Or at least in
= an area where real improvements still can be done? I work in a
= database environment and I would sure appreciate better tools
= for interfacing the database and the forms handler. As it now some
There was a very sophisticated forms and window manager packet on
the net some time ago for databases under UNIX(tm). Also for free
and with sources so you can adapt it for your needs.
= parts are more or less contraproductive to rules commonly accepted
= as good software engineering. But instead of doing something useful
= in this area, FSF spend their time making yet another compiler for
= an old-fashioned programming language. If database handles is too
= much for such a limited organization, why not at least a GNU-Ada or
As far as I know GNU Ada is in the works
= why not a GNU-Eiffel?
Did you ever look into E? Think its for free and better than Eiffel.
Even as a company we can't afford to buy Eiffel (and don't want it either)
= 
= Some companies and organizations bring the development further by
= introducing new concepts and tools. I don't count FSF as one of them.
And some other companies provide the floor and the tools on which capable
programmers can do advanced research (yes, even in C!).It strikes me as
very awksome that you're angry on FSF because they develope oldfashioned
stuff (in your eyes) and not the advanced applications that you are
supposed to use and seemingly are not able to write by yourself.
You know how the  saying goes:
Give them a hand and they will take your arm (shoulderblade included).
I would like to have included a smiley somewhere here but this cheap
unreasonable unrealistic FSF bashing takes away my good mood for today.

And by the way I saw some big ads that OSF (e.g. in Germany) is looking
for capable programmers. Perhaps a place for you to show how much you
can add to the advance of programming science.
-- 
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Maintainer's Motto:
	If we can't fix it, it ain't broke.
These opinions are solely mine and in no way reflect those of my employer.  
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From: fmr@cwi.nl (Frank Rahmani)
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Subject: Re: Re: gnu manifesto
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Date: 16 Jul 89 11:21:33 GMT
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Organization: CWI, Amsterdam
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Posted: Sun Jul 16 12:21:33 1989