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DAN (daniel.danoffre@total.com) wrote:
: The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings,
: but  shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints; 

People these days hae wider viewpoints than ever.

: We have bigger houses and smaller families;

Well unless you count the rich in the old days, who had massive houses,
and modestly sized families...

: more conveniences, but less 
: time; we have more degrees, but less sense; more knowledge, but less
: judgment; more experts, but more problems; more medicine, but less 
: wellness.

OK are you forgetting cholera, the black death, the plague, etc.?? 

: We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values.  We talk
: too  much, love too seldom, and hate too often.  We've learned how to
: make a  living, but not a life; We've added years to life, not life to
: years.

: We've done larger things, but not better things;  

We've done better things! What would you consider a good thing? Mother
Teresa? Mahatma Ghandi?

: We've
: cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul; We've split the atom, but
: not  our prejudice; 

We are less prejudiced now than we ever have been , thanks to education

: We write more, but learn less; 

The only way we learn less, is when there is left less to learn because we
already know! Otherwise, improved educational system means we learn more
than we did...

We plan more, but
: accomplish  less.

WHAT?!!!

: We've learned to rush, but not to wait; We have higher incomes, but
: lower  morals; We have more food, but less appeasement; We build more
: computers  to hold more information to produce more copies than ever,
: but have less  communication; We've become long on quantity, but short
: on quality.

: These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion; tall men, and
: short  character; steep profits, shallow relationships,and fancier
: houses, but  broken homes.

That has always been the case.

My God you are a depressing pessimistic chap....

Some guy you met before schrieb:

> DAN (daniel.danoffre@total.com) wrote:
> : The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings,
> : but  shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints;
>
> People these days hae wider viewpoints than ever.

Therefor, whenever someone posts in a - let's say -joke  ng, everybody agrees
and says: You may have I point there, I will think about it. There could
something true about it.

> : more conveniences, but less
> : time; we have more degrees, but less sense; more knowledge, but less
> : judgment; more experts, but more problems; more medicine, but less
> : wellness.
>
> OK are you forgetting cholera, the black death, the plague, etc.??

or aids, ebola, diabetes etc. ??

>
>
> : We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values.  We talk
> : too  much, love too seldom, and hate too often.  We've learned how to
> : make a  living, but not a life; We've added years to life, not life to
> : years.
>
> : We've done larger things, but not better things;
>
> We've done better things! What would you consider a good thing? Mother
> Teresa? Mahatma Ghandi?

Mother Teresa compared to Adolf Hitler? Just compare the scale. Do they
equale? How many millions did MT save?

>
>
> : We've
> : cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul; We've split the atom, but
> : not  our prejudice;
>
> We are less prejudiced now than we ever have been , thanks to education

You should read some of those threads in this ng, about circumcision or using
the plural. Everbody who is not of a persons opinion, is at least a moron.
Friendliness or politeness are not used any more.

>
>
> : We write more, but learn less;
>
> The only way we learn less, is when there is left less to learn because we
> already know! Otherwise, improved educational system means we learn more
> than we did...

There is always something to learn. Nobody can know everything. The moment you
think you know it all, the moment you are shutting down your brain.

>
>
> We plan more, but
> : accomplish  less.
>
> WHAT?!!!

Obiously you have never worked in an international company before. :-)

> My God you are a depressing pessimistic chap....


I was just thinking what an optimistic chap you are. Then I looked at your
adress. Ireland! Where there is a pot of gold on the end of each rainbow! Now
this explains all! And I can say that really from heart. I've been to Ireland
before, and I know: in a country with so much rain - you have to believe in
the sun, or you would become crazy!

Elisabeth
(who really thinks that Ireland is the most beautiful country in the world)
((and is now waiting for everybody else in this ng to contradict))

just kiddin wrote:
> Elisabeth
> (who really thinks that Ireland is the most beautiful country in the world)
> ((and is now waiting for everybody else in this ng to contradict))

Every German person that I've met who has emigrated to the USA says
"Neffer dere don't be such a beautiful place as my Chermany." I ask
them how come they ever left it for the USA and get all sorts of 
answers.

just kiddin (maelmill@EUnet.at) wrote:

: Some guy you met before schrieb:

: > DAN (daniel.danoffre@total.com) wrote:
: > : The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings,
: > : but  shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints;
: >
: > People these days hae wider viewpoints than ever.

: Therefor, whenever someone posts in a - let's say -joke  ng, everybody agrees
: and says: You may have I point there, I will think about it. There could
: something true about it.

OK don't bring newsgroups into this! It's hardly a reflection of real
life!

: > OK are you forgetting cholera, the black death, the plague, etc.??

: or aids, ebola, diabetes etc. ??

Well my diseases are much more widespread and, in terms of numbers,
damaging than yours!

: > : We've done larger things, but not better things;
: >
: > We've done better things! What would you consider a good thing? Mother
: > Teresa? Mahatma Ghandi?

: Mother Teresa compared to Adolf Hitler? Just compare the scale. Do they
: equale? How many millions did MT save?

OK, there is about one evil bastard in every generation or so, like
Hitler, Milosevic, Stalin, etc. But look at how it was in the old days,
there were people like that too! 
Secondly, there are good people all over the place, curing diseases,
helping the sick and poor, making masks for the ugly, etc. But they don't
get recognition, because, say the person who finds a cure for an otherwise
fatal disease, is, instead of making someone be alive, they are only
keeping them alive - unlike Hitler, who changed people from alive to dead.
That is why he got recognition. 
Plus there have been more people born deliberately in the world, than
there have been killed deliberately, so that implies, more creation of
life than termination of it, which implies more good less evil! Mwahaah!

: > : We've
: > : cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul; We've split the atom, but
: > : not  our prejudice;
: >
: > We are less prejudiced now than we ever have been , thanks to education

: You should read some of those threads in this ng, about circumcision or using
: the plural. Everbody who is not of a persons opinion, is at least a moron.
: Friendliness or politeness are not used any more.

As I said before, don't mind newsgroups - the people in them haven't a
clue! 

: > : We write more, but learn less;
: >
: > The only way we learn less, is when there is left less to learn because we
: > already know! Otherwise, improved educational system means we learn more
: > than we did...

: There is always something to learn. Nobody can know everything. The moment you
: think you know it all, the moment you are shutting down your brain.

There is a way to know all about a particular thing.  So you can't learn
any more about it. e.g. I can't learn any more about the result of the  
addition of 1+1. 
This is what I meant.

: I was just thinking what an optimistic chap you are. Then I looked at your
: adress. Ireland! Where there is a pot of gold on the end of each rainbow! Now
: this explains all! And I can say that really from heart. I've been to Ireland
: before, and I know: in a country with so much rain - you have to believe in
: the sun, or you would become crazy!

I'll have you know, we've had at least three days of sun here this year! 

Anyway, here is my ob joke...


>A wife arrived home from a shopping trip and was shocked to find her
>husband in bed with a lovely young woman.
>
>Just as she was about to storm out of the house, her husband called out
>"Perhaps you should hear how all this came about. . ."
>
>I was driving home on the highway when I saw this young woman looking
>tired and bedraggled.  I brought her home and made her a meal from the
>roast beef you had forgotten about in the fridge.
>
>She was bare-footed so I gave her your good sandals which you had
>discarded because they had  gone out of style.  She was cold so I gave
>her the sweater which I bought  for you for your birthday but you never
>wore because the color didn't suit  you.  Her pants were torn, so I gave
>her a pair of your jeans, which were perfectly good, but too small for
>you know.
>
>"Then just as she was about to leave, she asked, 'Is there anything else
>your wife doesn't use anymore ?'"
>
>

just kiddin wrote in message <3753F8B8.DBC427B6@EUnet.at>...

>Mother Teresa compared to Adolf Hitler? Just compare the scale. Do they
>equale? How many millions did MT save?
>
>>

How many millions of people do one act of kindness based on the generosity
and sacrifice of Mother Teresa?  How many people out there kill someone
because they believe that Hitler could not be wrong?  Compare the scale, I
think you may find some astonishing things....




>>
>> : We've
>> : cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul; We've split the atom, but
>> : not  our prejudice;
>>
>> We are less prejudiced now than we ever have been , thanks to education
>
>You should read some of those threads in this ng, about circumcision or
using
>the plural. Everbody who is not of a persons opinion, is at least a moron.
>Friendliness or politeness are not used any more.

But neither are most of the derogatory words related to slavery, fear, or
hatred.  Most of the people that write to this newsgroup (and others) have a
lot (or at least one) of good things to say, but those that don't get put
down for just wanting to see their own name in print.  We usually call
people that talk just to hear themselves speak arrogant, egotistical, or
idiotic.  It's not that we don't agree with their opinion...they just don't
have one to share!  Why shouldn't this apply to newsgroups as well?

Obviously, you are very closed-minded yourself, and do not care to look
around you to the little things that show the friendliness and politeness
still present in today's society.

>>
>> We plan more, but
>> : accomplish  less.
>>
>> WHAT?!!!
>
>Obiously you have never worked in an international company before. :-)


Governmentally, maybe.  But compared to what?  I accomplish a hell of a lot
more of what I plan than most of my ancestors.....I have the resources to
carry out my goals.  If you're going to shout that international companies
are so inefficient, why not start an efficient one and make yourself rich?
I'll invest some money if you send me a complete list of your ideas on
increasing the efficiency of an "international" company.  Or is that too
much for you to accomplish?


-Red

On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:16:27 -0400, "Red Dorakeen" <rpg6u@virginia.edu>
wrote this stuff:


       How many have even heard of Mother Teresa compared to
       Adolph Hitler?   Who's picture is more recognizable?
       Who had a more profound and lasting effect on the planet?
       Who will still be well known 50+ years after death?

>just kiddin wrote in message <3753F8B8.DBC427B6@EUnet.at>...
>
>>Mother Teresa compared to Adolf Hitler? Just compare the scale. Do they
>>equale? How many millions did MT save?
>>
>>>
>
>How many millions of people do one act of kindness based on the generosity
>and sacrifice of Mother Teresa?  How many people out there kill someone
>because they believe that Hitler could not be wrong?  Compare the scale, I
>think you may find some astonishing things....
>

Luci Balls wrote in message <375d2a45.19430263@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
>
>
>       How many have even heard of Mother Teresa compared to
>       Adolph Hitler?   Who's picture is more recognizable?
>       Who had a more profound and lasting effect on the planet?
>       Who will still be well known 50+ years after death?
>


What are you trying to say here?  Do you think that these inane questions
will make me say, "Oh, wow, you were right, I'm wrong; you're SOOOO much
more intelligent and worldly than I am"?

My answers to all of the above would be Mother Teresa.  If you would think
otherwise, maybe you should consider your own priorities, and think about
who YOU'd like to remember.


-Red

>Luci Balls wrote in message
<375d2a45.19430263@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
>How many have even heard of Mother Teresa compared to Adolph Hitler?

Possibly countless thousands of people in Third World countries who
were touched by her generosity...

>Who's picture is more recognizable?

Oh well damn, this really makes a hell of a lot of difference.  And
although this probably is Hitler, thanks to a certain Josef Goebbels,
nowadays people also recognise easily the face of Mother Teresa.

>Who had a more profound and lasting effect on the planet?

Hmm...the Third Reich lasted from 1933 until 1945 - 12 years.  Plus,
probably, about 15 years while the damage and stuff from WWII was
sorted out - 27 years.  Mother Teresa devoted her *whole* life to
people who needed help.  She was, I think (I'm not sure) about in her
nineties when she died, and she was still working right till the end
(so I believe) so that's at least 80 years.  Go figure.

>Who will still be well known 50+ years after death?

Both of them.  However, Hitler will be confined strictly to history
books and the minds of the members of sad little neo-Nazi
organisations, while Mother Teresa will be remembered by thousands of
people who loved and respected her kindness and generosity.

Just my two..er..pence, anyway.  Flames cheerfully ignored.
--
Chris Maddams
boy_ginger@hotmail.com

"Who are you people...and where's my soup?"

ps...I see this is going out to eunet.jokes and rec.humor as well as
alt.jokes, however I only subscribe to the latter, so send replies
from the first two NG's via e-mail.  Thank you.

In our last episode <7j1fkf$rec@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>,
the lovely and talented "Red Dorakeen" <rpg6u@virginia.edu>
broadcast on eunet.jokes,rec.humor,alt.jokes:
|
|Luci Balls wrote in message <375d2a45.19430263@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
|>
|>
|>       How many have even heard of Mother Teresa compared to
|>       Adolph Hitler?   Who's picture is more recognizable?
|>       Who had a more profound and lasting effect on the planet?
|>       Who will still be well known 50+ years after death?
|>
|
|
|What are you trying to say here?  Do you think that these inane questions
|will make me say, "Oh, wow, you were right, I'm wrong; you're SOOOO much
|more intelligent and worldly than I am"?
|
|My answers to all of the above would be Mother Teresa.  If you would think
|otherwise, maybe you should consider your own priorities, and think about
|who YOU'd like to remember.


Mother Teresa was the worst kind of hack, putting the Vatican's
political priorities far ahead of the welfare of the people she
professed to be caring for.  Sure, Vatican propaganda will glorify
her for a while, but since on balance she did more harm than good
and did not do that in a particularly notable way, aside from a few
nuns, in fifty years it will be "Mother who?"

-- 
Lars Eighner      700 Hearn #101      Austin TX 78703        eighner@io.com
(512) 474-1920 (FAX answers 6th ring)         http://www.io.com/%7Eeighner/
Please visit my web bookstore:      http://www.io.com/%7Eeighner/bookstore/
* A kiss that speaks volumes is seldom a first edition.

The adorable Elizeabeth <just kiddin> has pleasantly written :

> How many dimensions has a line? One.
> How many dimensions has a plain? Two.
> Did you ever hear of the Peano-curve? It is a line which crosses every point of a
> plain.
> How many dimensions has the Peano-curve?

Sheize ! an other brain teaser !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o)))

just kiddin (maelmill@EUnet.at) wrote:


: How many dimensions has a plain? Two.
: Did you ever hear of the Peano-curve? It is a line which crosses every point of a
: plain.
: How many dimensions has the Peano-curve?

There's no such thing. Also with references to your sets, the only set
which is of any consequence in real world when adding one thing to another
is R.

What do you get when you differenciate a banana with respect to a pear?

Some guy you met before wrote:
> just kiddin wrote:
>
> : How many dimensions has a plain? Two.
> : Did you ever hear of the Peano-curve? It is a line which crosses every
point > : of a plain.
> : How many dimensions has the Peano-curve?
>
> There's no such thing. Also with references to your sets, the only set
> which is of any consequence in real world when adding one thing to another
> is R.
>
> What do you get when you differenciate a banana with respect to a pear?

A fruit smoothie?

Clortho wrote in message <7j3acf$p57$1@as102.tel.hr>...
>
>> Just my two..er..pence, anyway.  Flames cheerfully ignored.
>> --
>
>no flame! well said.

Thank you very much.   All donations gratefully received.

--
Chris Maddams
boy_ginger@hotmail.com

"Who are you people...and where's my soup?"

Lars Eighner wrote:
> 
> In our last episode <7j1fkf$rec@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>,
> the lovely and talented "Red Dorakeen" <rpg6u@virginia.edu>
> broadcast on eunet.jokes,rec.humor,alt.jokes:
> |
> |Luci Balls wrote in message <375d2a45.19430263@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> |>
> |>
> |>       How many have even heard of Mother Teresa compared to
> |>       Adolph Hitler?   Who's picture is more recognizable?
> |>       Who had a more profound and lasting effect on the planet?
> |>       Who will still be well known 50+ years after death?
> |>
> |
> |
> |What are you trying to say here?  Do you think that these inane questions
> |will make me say, "Oh, wow, you were right, I'm wrong; you're SOOOO much
> |more intelligent and worldly than I am"?
> |
> |My answers to all of the above would be Mother Teresa.  If you would think
> |otherwise, maybe you should consider your own priorities, and think about
> |who YOU'd like to remember.
> 
> Mother Teresa was the worst kind of hack, putting the Vatican's
> political priorities far ahead of the welfare of the people she
> professed to be caring for.  Sure, Vatican propaganda will glorify
> her for a while, but since on balance she did more harm than good
> and did not do that in a particularly notable way, aside from a few
> nuns, in fifty years it will be "Mother who?"
> 

Hitler's been dead for 54 years now and his name is still well known.
It isn't about LIKING to remember. I doubt if anyone who survived
Hitler's concentration camps is actively looking for a guard who was
kind, but they are still looking for the mean ones. I still remember
people who were pricks to me 60 years ago, but I've forgotten most of
the many more who were kind.

Trying to compare Mother Theresa with Adolf Hitler???
That is a joke in itself..

This whole argument is irrelevant to rec.humor

*************� Get a life guys **************

Red Dorakeen wrote:

> just kiddin wrote in message <3753F8B8.DBC427B6@EUnet.at>...
>
> >Mother Teresa compared to Adolf Hitler? Just compare the scale. Do they
> >equale? How many millions did MT save?
> >
> >>
>
> How many millions of people do one act of kindness based on the generosity
> and sacrifice of Mother Teresa?� How many people out there kill someone
> because they believe that Hitler could not be wrong?� Compare the scale, I
> think you may find some astonishing things....
>
> >>
> >> : We've
> >> : cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul; We've split the atom, but
> >> : not� our prejudice;
> >>
> >> We are less prejudiced now than we ever have been , thanks to education
> >
> >You should read some of those threads in this ng, about circumcision or
> using
> >the plural. Everbody who is not of a persons opinion, is at least a moron.
> >Friendliness or politeness are not used any more.
>
> But neither are most of the derogatory words related to slavery, fear, or
> hatred.� Most of the people that write to this newsgroup (and others) have a
> lot (or at least one) of good things to say, but those that don't get put
> down for just wanting to see their own name in print.� We usually call
> people that talk just to hear themselves speak arrogant, egotistical, or
> idiotic.� It's not that we don't agree with their opinion...they just don't
> have one to share!� Why shouldn't this apply to newsgroups as well?
>
> Obviously, you are very closed-minded yourself, and do not care to look
> around you to the little things that show the friendliness and politeness
> still present in today's society.
>
> >>
> >> We plan more, but
> >> : accomplish� less.
> >>
> >> WHAT?!!!
> >
> >Obiously you have never worked in an international company before. :-)
>
> Governmentally, maybe.� But compared to what?� I accomplish a hell of a lot
> more of what I plan than most of my ancestors.....I have the resources to
> carry out my goals.� If you're going to shout that international companies
> are so inefficient, why not start an efficient one and make yourself rich?
> I'll invest some money if you send me a complete list of your ideas on
> increasing the efficiency of an "international" company.� Or is that too
> much for you to accomplish?
>
> -Red

�

--
Regards

David Milne
ICQ 37590068
�

Some guy you met before schrieb:

> just kiddin (maelmill@EUnet.at) wrote:
>
> : Some guy you met before schrieb:
>
> : > DAN (daniel.danoffre@total.com) wrote:
> : > : The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings,
> : > : but  shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints;
> : >
> : > People these days hae wider viewpoints than ever.
>
> : Therefor, whenever someone posts in a - let's say -joke  ng, everybody agrees
> : and says: You may have I point there, I will think about it. There could
> : something true about it.
>
> OK don't bring newsgroups into this! It's hardly a reflection of real
> life!

OK - all people in this ng have narrow viewpoints.
(Hey, he said that, not me)

>
>
> : > OK are you forgetting cholera, the black death, the plague, etc.??
>
> : or aids, ebola, diabetes etc. ??
>
> Well my diseases are much more widespread and, in terms of numbers,
> damaging than yours!

You have diseases? I'm sorry to hear that.

>
>
> : > : We've done larger things, but not better things;
> : >
> : > We've done better things! What would you consider a good thing? Mother
> : > Teresa? Mahatma Ghandi?
>
> : Mother Teresa compared to Adolf Hitler? Just compare the scale. Do they
> : equale? How many millions did MT save?
>
> OK, there is about one evil bastard in every generation or so, like
> Hitler, Milosevic, Stalin, etc. But look at how it was in the old days,
> there were people like that too!
> Secondly, there are good people all over the place, curing diseases,
> helping the sick and poor, making masks for the ugly, etc. But they don't
> get recognition, because, say the person who finds a cure for an otherwise
> fatal disease, is, instead of making someone be alive, they are only
> keeping them alive - unlike Hitler, who changed people from alive to dead.
> That is why he got recognition.
> Plus there have been more people born deliberately in the world, than
> there have been killed deliberately, so that implies, more creation of
> life than termination of it, which implies more good less evil! Mwahaah!

I am not sure about the numbers.

This reminds me of a Haegar The Horrible cartoon:
"You know, they say Vikings only did bad thing. But look at this wonderful green
valley. This has once been an overcrowded town."

> There is a way to know all about a particular thing.  So you can't learn
> any more about it. e.g. I can't learn any more about the result of the
> addition of 1+1.
> This is what I meant.

So tell me - what is 1+1?

1+1=3 (tax included)
1+1=1 (in a mathematical group only consisting of 0 and 1)
1+1=10 (digital)
and so on. There is a famous mathmatics book, where 1+1=2 is the conclusion after
700 sides of basic considerations. And you want me to believe you know everything
about 1+1?


But,  you being Irish, you still  live in the old times DAN was writing about (that
is what makes your country so nice and cozy) so therefor you can not know what he
was writing about. Enjoy your wonderful life on your wonderful island.

Elisabeth

+AD4-
+AD4-So tell me - what is 1?
+AD4-
+AD4-1+AD0-3 (tax included)
+AD4-1+AD0-1 (in a mathematical group only consisting of 0 and 1)
+AD4-1+AD0-10 (digital)
+AD4-and so on. There is a famous mathmatics book, where 1+AD0-2 is the conclusion
after
+AD4-700 sides of basic considerations. And you want me to believe you know
everything
+AD4-about 1?
+AD4-
+AD4-
When you say +ACI-1+AD0-10 (digital)+ACI-, do you really mean 'binary' or 'decimal'?

In either case, you're wrong.
    1+AD0-1 (decimal)
    1+AD0-01 (binary)

10 binary is equivalent to 2 in decimal.

--- Keith Lehman
 Electrical Engineering Student
 University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

lehmankj+AEA-uwm.edu

+AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9-

Just who is this Diddley Squat guy, and what's the big deal with me not
knowing him?

+AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9-

Keith Lehman schrieb:

> +AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9-
>
>
>
> +AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9-


and so on. Sorry, can't read this. Please post again in TEXT.

Elisabeth

just kiddin (maelmill@EUnet.at) wrote:

: > OK don't bring newsgroups into this! It's hardly a reflection of real
: > life!

: OK - all people in this ng have narrow viewpoints.
: (Hey, he said that, not me)

All, or most people in any ng have narrow viewpoints. Have you noticed how
rarely people concede points to each other? (Look at us now!) Because they
have time to sit and think about a proper rebuttal. If it was a
conversation, it would be dropped one or two rounds after it started...

: >
: > Well my diseases are much more widespread and, in terms of numbers,
: > damaging than yours!

: You have diseases? I'm sorry to hear that.

Ahh now there's no need for smartosity...


: > There is a way to know all about a particular thing.  So you can't learn
: > any more about it. e.g. I can't learn any more about the result of the
: > addition of 1+1.
: > This is what I meant.

: So tell me - what is 1+1?

2

: 1+1=3 (tax included)

What you are saying here is 1+1+tax = 3. That's different from what I said

: 1+1=1 (in a mathematical group only consisting of 0 and 1)

Well if you are talking about binary, it's 10 not 1, which represents,
wait for it... 2!
OTOH you could be talking about 1 AND 1 or 1 OR 1, which is a different
thing from 1 + 1

What if I meant is I have one apple, and I have another apple, I have two
apples.

: 1+1=10 (digital)

Er see binary. the 10 is not ten, by the way, it's two, as in the amount
of things it represents is two. Ceann, ceann eile.

: and so on. There is a famous mathmatics book, where 1+1=2 is the
conclusion after
: 700 sides of basic considerations. 

Then this mathematics book is just a waste of paper, since it came to the
same conclusion using 700 sides of consideration, that I would have after
one quick instinctive calculation.

:And you want me to believe you know
everything
: about 1+1?

Yes.

: But, you being Irish, you still live in the old times DAN was writing
about (that
: is what makes your country so nice and cozy) so therefor you can not
know what he
: was writing about. Enjoy your wonderful life on your wonderful island.

Er... thanks... I think... (?)
I didn't realise we were that isolated!

Where are you from, Austria?

Some guy you met before schrieb:

> All, or most people in any ng have narrow viewpoints. Have you noticed how
> rarely people concede points to each other? (Look at us now!) Because they
> have time to sit and think about a proper rebuttal. If it was a
> conversation, it would be dropped one or two rounds after it started...
>

You are absolutely right.


> : You have diseases? I'm sorry to hear that.
>
> Ahh now there's no need for smartosity...

Sorry, could not resist. You know: "Better annoying a friend than fail to make a
joke."
(bad translation, I know)

>
>
> 1+1=3 (tax included)
>
> What you are saying here is 1+1+tax = 3. That's different from what I said

But if I mathmatically defined that writing (x) on the right side of an equation
would mean the same as writin +x on the left side of the equation ...

> : 1+1=1 (in a mathematical group only consisting of 0 and 1)

> Well if you are talking about binary, it's 10 not 1, which represents,
> wait for it... 2!

Sorry, my maths is a long time ago. There is a m. construct named "group" which
is a set of elements and and an operation. The operation should be commutativ
and associativ and should have a neutral element.
Which means: G := ( {x,y,z,...}, o)
C: x o y = y o x
A: (x o y) o z = x o (y o z)
N: x o 0 = 0 o x = x

Example: G := ({0,1}, +)
defined:
0+0:=0
0+1:=1
1+0:=1
1+1:=0

Neutral element is 0
Proof for C and A by brute force.


> OTOH you could be talking about 1 AND 1 or 1 OR 1, which is a different
> thing from 1 + 1

Again you could define the +-sign to be equivalent to OR, as you can define the
*-sign to be AND. This is done in some progamming lanuages.

> What if I meant is I have one apple, and I have another apple, I have two
> apples.

I agree.

But: if you happen to have four halve apples, you don't have two apples. :-)

>
>
> : 1+1=10 (digital)
>
> Er see binary. the 10 is not ten, by the way, it's two, as in the amount
> of things it represents is two.

I never said it was ten. It was a symbol, 10. There is no symbol 2 in binary
notation.

> Ceann, ceann eile.

???

> Then this mathematics book is just a waste of paper, since it came to the
> same conclusion using 700 sides of consideration, that I would have after
> one quick instinctive calculation.

That is what I was trying to say in my poor English: Mathmatics is not about
calculation. Or: Calculation, as instinctive you may think it is,  mathmatically
is something very difficult. M. is about handling of symbols, building a
delicate structure of definitions and assumptions and prooves until it seems
ordinary "calculus" will fit into this strange world.

> :And you want me to believe you know
> everything
> : about 1+1?
>
> Yes.

So you are very confident. I confess, I know nothing of 1+1.

>
>
> : But, you being Irish, you still live in the old times DAN was writing
> about (that
> : is what makes your country so nice and cozy) so therefor you can not
> know what he
> : was writing about. Enjoy your wonderful life on your wonderful island.
>
> Er... thanks... I think... (?)
> I didn't realise we were that isolated!
>
> Where are you from, Austria?

Right. And also living on some kind of happy island (of mind). :-)

Mathmatical jokes:

What is 1+1?
The 10 year old (1 second): 2.
The salesmen, using his pocket calculator (2 seconds): 2
The mathematician (3 days): There is a solution!


True story:
The famous Austrian mathematician Professor Doctor Hlawka used to go to the
university by tramway. When he had an idea on his way, he took notes on the back
of the tickets.
At the end of a reading, a student asked: "Isn't there an exponent missing?"
Hlawka: "You are right. The ticket controller pinched off my potency."


As my dear friend Zevra uses to say:
**No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously**

Or as I would put it:
I am not offended by your jokes, I'm offended by your seriousness!

Elisabeth

just kiddin (maelmill@EUnet.at) wrote:


: > 1+1=3 (tax included)
: >
: > What you are saying here is 1+1+tax = 3. That's different from what I said

: But if I mathmatically defined that writing (x) on the right side of an
equation
: would mean the same as writin +x on the left side of the equation ...

But if you didn't define erm... yes.


: > OTOH you could be talking about 1 AND 1 or 1 OR 1, which is a different
: > thing from 1 + 1

: Again you could define the +-sign to be equivalent to OR, as you can define the
: *-sign to be AND. This is done in some progamming lanuages.

You could, but you would be biting off more than you can chew.

: > What if I meant is I have one apple, and I have another apple, I have two
: > apples.

: I agree.

: But: if you happen to have four halve apples, you don't have two apples. :-)

Yes, or if you have 8 quarter-apples! And so on! 

: >
: >
: > : 1+1=10 (digital)
: >
: > Er see binary. the 10 is not ten, by the way, it's two, as in the amount
: > of things it represents is two.

: I never said it was ten. It was a symbol, 10. There is no symbol 2 in binary
: notation.

Yes, but the concept of two things can be represented. And the number of
things represented by it is two. An tuigeann t�?

: > Ceann, ceann eile.

: ???

Oh sorry, comes from an old Irish kind of poem for kids (to help them
learn Irish), but translates roughly to One, Another One.

: > Then this mathematics book is just a waste of paper, since it came to the
: > same conclusion using 700 sides of consideration, that I would have after
: > one quick instinctive calculation.

: That is what I was trying to say in my poor English: Mathmatics is not about
: calculation. Or: Calculation, as instinctive you may think it is, mathmatically
: is something very difficult. M. is about handling of symbols, building a
: delicate structure of definitions and assumptions and prooves until it seems
: ordinary "calculus" will fit into this strange world.

Eh.... Yes, but you forget, 1 + 1 = 2.
That is, 

Adding one thing to one other thing gives you two things. And that is all
there is to know about the addition of one thing to another thing. 

: > :And you want me to believe you know
: > everything
: > : about 1+1?
: >
: > Yes.

: So you are very confident. I confess, I know nothing of 1+1.

Do you know it equals 2?

: Or as I would put it:
: I am not offended by your jokes, I'm offended by your seriousness!

Well you've come to the wrong place! (A news group is not the best place
for a lack of seriousness, even a jokes one!)

> Just my two..er..pence, anyway.  Flames cheerfully ignored.
> --

no flame! well said.

Some guy you met before schrieb:

> : So you are very confident. I confess, I know nothing of 1+1.
>
> Do you know it equals 2?

Only in the set of N or Z or Q or R or C or R^n.Which are only few examples of
possible sets.
I confess though, these are important for our "real" life.
Oh all those people who only use mathematics for calculating things and not admiring
its pure beauty!

> Well you've come to the wrong place! (A news group is not the best place
> for a lack of seriousness, even a jokes one!)


So I am guilty.
But not ashamed.


How many dimensions has a line? One.
How many dimensions has a plain? Two.
Did you ever hear of the Peano-curve? It is a line which crosses every point of a
plain.
How many dimensions has the Peano-curve?


Elisabeth

Keith Lehman wrote:
> 
> --- Keith Lehman
>  Electrical Engineering Student
>  University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
> 
> lehmankj+AEA-uwm.edu
> 
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> 
> Just who is this Diddley Squat guy, and what's the big deal with me not
> knowing him?
> 
I think he's related to Jack Schitt.

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Elizabeth,

Thanks for your thoughts on our damp, sometimes sunny, often windy but never dull
island. You really should tak a trip here and see what we are talking about.

just kiddin wrote:

> But,  you being Irish, you still  live in the old times DAN was writing about (that
> is what makes your country so nice and cozy) so therefor you can not know what he
> was writing about. Enjoy your wonderful life on your wonderful island.
>
> Elisabeth

Some guy you met before schrieb:

> just kiddin (maelmill@EUnet.at) wrote:
>
> : How many dimensions has a plain? Two.
> : Did you ever hear of the Peano-curve? It is a line which crosses every point of a
> : plain.
> : How many dimensions has the Peano-curve?

>
>
> There's no such thing.

Now what do I do with this guy?

When it is "live and learn" - what does he do?
As I don't want to discuss such boring details on a joke ng - if you are interested in
details, let me know and I tell you how this is done.


> Also with references to your sets, the only set
> which is of any consequence in real world when adding one thing to another
> is R.
>

Oh real world! I did not know we were talking about the real world! Now we only have to
decide which is real and which is not. This should be much more simple than deciding
what 1+1 is. Or not.

> What do you get when you differenciate a banana with respect to a pear?


When banana is a smooth function of pear, no problem there. Integration is much more
easy, but you have decide first, if you want Riemann or Lesbeques integration.


The thing which disturbs me most in this discussion is how much I remember of this math
things though I learned them about 10 or 15 years ago. This is scary!

Elisabeth

Lynne schrieb:

> Elizabeth,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts on our damp, sometimes sunny, often windy but never dull
> island. You really should tak a trip here and see what we are talking about.
>

Lynne, I've been there, I've seen it, and that's why I love it!

Elisabeth