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From: Francois Berenger
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 05:05
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 05:05
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On 05/30/2013 01:52 PM, Malcolm Matalka wrote: > I think out would be wrong for opam to try to solve this problem. There > are already many tools available for deploying (Ansible, Puppet, Chef, > Fabric, Capistrano). Such a later can be build on top of opam of need be. If OPAM can do it, that would remove a needle from my foot. I am just asking for a cache of the previously built packages. > On May 30, 2013 2:57 AM, "Chet Murthy" <murthy.chet@gmail.com > <mailto:murthy.chet@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > On Thursday, May 30, 2013 09:45:51 AM Francois Berenger wrote: > > By the way, is there some plan to support binary packages > > at some point in time with OPAM? > > > > I don't mean OCamlPro distributing them but for an OPAM > > user to be able to create them locally. > > > > That would speedup the process of installing software (given they > > have at least been compiled once). > > This. > > OK. A little more. OPAM is already a tremendous improvement. But to > really make it possible to build -systems- in Ocaml, you have to be > able to distribute collections of programs, config, and libraries, > across multiple (admittedly identical) machines. And distribute > updates to same. OPAM is in some ways like BSD ports -- it works > great for maintaining single machines from source-code. > > But what's needed is a way to maintain -many- machines, and to > distribute updates in a granular manner that be -managed- -- rolled > forward, rolled back, with full knowledge of which versions of which > packages are being installed. And everything with -zero- version > skew. So any nondeterminism happened at buiild-time -- by > deploy-time, all machines are getting identical files with identical > timestamps. > > It's a tall order, b/c OPAM will need to figure out how to capture > enough of the environment (in order to check it on the target machine > where a binary is installed) to verify whether it's safe to install > that binary. But boy would it be nice. > > And as a bonus, we could wrapper opam in the debian apparatus (I > think) and get a really nice way to turn opam packages into debian > packages. > > --chet-- > > > -- > Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: > https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list > Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners > Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs > -- Caml-list mailing list. Subscription management and archives: https://sympa.inria.fr/sympa/arc/caml-list Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs
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