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Article #417Re: interesting loop
From: Jeff Mogul
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1985 18:10
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1985 18:10
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Obviously the simplest answer is that as long as the Applitek system
is working, we turn off the Pyramid gateway code. However we would
like that code to be available as a backup should the Applitek system
go down. It begins to appear that we are going to have to check
specifically for this sort of situation. However in a complex network
topology, it may not be entirely clear who one should and should not
be willing to gateway for. It is possible that the real moral is
that "transparent" gateways and IP gateways may have trouble
coexisting.
What is going on here is that the two gateways (transparent and IP)
are based on different models of the world; the transparent gateway
(bridge) assumes that it should act like a piece of wire, i.e. that
the cables connected to it should appear to be electrically connected.
In this model, forwarding the broadcasts (ARP messages) is not only
legal but required.
The IP gateway does not assume this; specifically, the "ARP hack"
assumes that the cables are NOT electrically connected. In this
model, forwarding of undirected broadcasts is a no-no.
I believe the moral is that one should not mix metaphors. If you
don't want to use your Pyramid as a full-time gateway, buy a
gateway box from someone. Scrap the Applitek, or use it to
physically extend a subnet and pray that it doesn't fail.
Question of the day: is it possible to put two Appliteks (or
any other transparent bridges) in parallel, for reasons of
reliability, without getting into a loop? If not, then you
shouldn't expect that putting a bridge in parallel with a
gateway should work any better.
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Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ucbvax!mogul@Navajo From: mogul@Navajo (Jeff Mogul) Newsgroups: fa.tcp-ip Subject: Re: interesting loop Message-ID: <8508301920.AA23992@UCB-VAX.ARPA> Date: Fri, 30-Aug-85 14:10:00 EDT Article-I.D.: UCB-VAX.8508301920.AA23992 Posted: Fri Aug 30 14:10:00 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 31-Aug-85 21:22:57 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.ARPA Reply-To: tcp-ip@ucb-vax.berkeley.edu Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 32