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ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa) writes:

>In article <2715@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>   kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono) writes:

>   >Junet/Wide project are taking important part in the Internet. Like
>   >bitnet/decnet, Junet/Wide have their own rules, which are respected
>   >from Internet society.  For example, we cannot allow alt.sex.pictures
>   >in Japan. And who pays Japan-US internet link? If US pays we are ready
>   >to obey Internet rule, of course.

>   From what you say about alt.sex.pictures not being allowed in Japan,
>   I suspect there may be another reason why Junet/WIDE can't take part
>   in the Internet: people can access anything. There is no easy way to
>   say limit kind of information can be obtained. 

>I think it was Mr. Kono's opinion about "we cannot allow alt...".  I
>don't care what flows via my feed as long as it is not outright criminal.
>Like disseminating the today's street price of Cocaine in Yokohama,
>etc.. Of course, real criminals are not that stupid to post these
>things on usenet-like network :-)

If they were, they wouldn't be around long, would they. The hard
part in all of this is to define, for whole country, what is legal,
but not allowed. IMHO the way things are going in the world, if you
want to connect to everybody you have to give up this idea as it's
not reasonable to get agreement. Instead, each person take
responsibility for what they want to read or not read. 

...

>I kind of like this anarchy of usenet and had expected the same thing
>here, but wrooong! I think the aritcles Mr. Kono mentioned are
>job-related articles (like help wanted, or position available), and
>blatant business offerings ("The company I work for has this great
>product, the features are blah, blah, blah...", the kind of things.). 

Yes, it seems that fj.xxxx has it's own restrictions.

>I personally think the distinction between these NG are so subtle that
>there is no use trying to prevent such articles. Usenet even has biz
>newsgroup.  But, just a personal opinion. I need to work with the
>Japanese sites anyway. Come to think of it, I asked the company I work
>for to set up direct UUNET connection so that we don't have to go through
>these Japanese uucp hop sites that have these guidelines so that we
>can exchange business-oriented messages with our overseas clients.
>Major reason we bypassed InetClub was this reason. UUNET doesn't have
>this kind of guideline (or convention...).

Not only UUNET but many other networks/sites are finding that it's
not really very useful to try and separate "business" from
"research" and "commerical" from "non-commerical". You can, of
course, but it means setting up and maintaining a huge hierarchy of
control which never really works very well unless you have somebody
sitting there and reading each article. In sum, the only way you
can enforce the restrictions is to make it so expensive so it
could be used except by the very very few....

Please note that I'm not talking about the "morality" or "correctness", 
only about the practical aspects of networking on an international
basis. 

Dave

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