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Re: No money for basic research?(was Re: How to survive in Japan [English]

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From: Dave McLane
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1992 22:30
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kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake) writes:

>In article <2705@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
> |Perhaps. But other countries are moving in that direction as it is
> |simply too expensive for the country as a whole. Governmental,
> |academic, and profit-making organizations are coming together (not
> |without some friction).... 

>The hardest part in Japan is here - how to get all these organization
>together, while maintaining freedom to keep their policies.

I don't believe it's hard at all: it's impossible: If you want to
work together, you have to give up part of your freedom. If you want
to maintain your complete freedom you have to remain isolated from
the people/organizations who join together. Such is life <sigh>.

> |I'm not sure what usage rule of Japan-US you are speaking of. 

>WIDE Internet is NOT a public service. It's a leased-lined service
>with limited users (i.e. all organizations joining/registering JUNET
>Association or JNIC.)  And WIDE does not have a license to operate a
>public service.

I don't have your original statement at hand (and I'm too lazy to go
back and find it :-) but I don't believe there is a "Japan-US usage
rule". There are WIDE-Internet rules and there are Internet rules.
While there is a physical connection between WIDE and the Interent
there is no common rule that I know of. 

As you say, WIDE doesn't have a license to operate as a public
service (and, I believe, can't get one due to Japanese rules for
telecommunication) while the Internet *is* operating as a public
service. IMHO, calling WIDE the "WIDE Internet" creates an illusion
that WIDE is operating on the same basis at the Internet. But I
think that as people find out that WIDE is *NOT* administratively
part of the international Internet there is bound to be some
unhappiness as evidences by the "Will Japan Jack In" article in the
communications of the ACM. 

As I understand the situation, it is impossible for WIDE or any
other network/organization can take part in the Internet until the
Japanese laws regarding telecommunication over leased lines are
changed. Until then you can either have limited services over leased
lines or public services over dial-up lines. 

Dave

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Subject: Re: No money for basic research?(was Re: How to survive in Japan [English]
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