🚀 go-pugleaf

In article <4621@earth.chigaku.souka.osakafu-u.ac.jp> okamoto@earth.chigaku.souka.osakafu-u.ac.jp (Kenji Okamoto) writes:
 >>Claude> I think we have to "understand' how the other part (in this case,
 >>Claude> foreigners) will interpret what we are talking. 
 >>
 >>Yes, I'm aware of this.  However, I think many Japanese( except of me:-) 
 >>have much ability of this kind, haven't they?

I am afraid to say this but most Japanese people DO NOT understand the
context of non-Japanese people - because they haven't learned and have
not been taught about it. And it's not easy to learn this without
actual conflict and confrontation with non-Japanese residents.

 >>Although you may not know (sorry), I think there are no "ishin denshin" 
 >>in Japanese society.  Ironically, this is my view, there are
 >>much of guess to meditate how he/she could accept my proposal( or
 >>something like that we want to do), or what he/she want to let me to do......
 >>These processes are carried out without any words, only in his/her mind.

The notion of "ishin denshin" can mislead to wrong conclusions. I
think ishin-denshin style of communication will not work unless a
rigid social framework of communication is established, understood,
and accepted. The framework has been being dissolved and deteriorated
in our Japanese society as Okamoto-san mentioned above - but that does
not mean our Japanese social context has been changed to something
different from that of 50 or 100 years ago.

 >>Of course, sometimes, we fail to pull out the wright conclusion, in
 >>this case, the relation between me and him/her could be broken.  This
 >>is the real process which is called as "ishin denshin" in Japanese
 >>society.  This is so much diffferent process from you ?  

Many countries outside Japan belong to contract-based societies.
Ishin-denshin style of communication is considered strange if you are
living in a contract-based society, all issues possible to happen
should be written and no exception will be accepted - and if an
agreement is not declared you are totally free from it.

 >>I believe humans have some common intrinsic values all over the world.

I also think many ethnic groups share values such as love, peace, and
humanity. But the problem is those values are differently implemented
among different societies and language groups.

// Kenji