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Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)

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From: Chiaki Ishikawa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:49
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In article <CLAUDE.92Sep29103505@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:

   In fact, there are people immigrating. I don't have any data now, but great 
   parcel of Japanese living in USA came after 1964 (Would be Japan classified
   as "poor" that time?). 

I should have known that the number has increased after 1964. (On the
other hand, after the WW-II, not many travelled abroad until the
situation has improved. So my guess is that the level of
emigration/immigration back in, say, 1920-1930 must have been restored
late 1960 or early 1970. And then of course, newly found wealth
started to send out more businessmen to outside Japan.

   Many times when I talk about rights to foreigners living here, I heard 
   the same phrase: "Japan is not America" (in the sense that Japan is not
   a country for immigration). I wonder who will be paying their pensions
   50 years after... 

I am not sure who you are talking to, but I can imagine the type of
people who would be saying these things. There are many Japanese
businessmen's families living outside Japan, who in turn put some load
on local welfare/education system as well. You might remind them about
this.

   Well, I'm not speaking that would be better to have
   immigration, but I think if there are people here NOW,they would have to
   assure some rights like make easier to have "permanent resident" status 
   or naturalization, protect against abuses and make mechanisms to those
   people join the society preserving their original cultures.  

Agreed, especially about protection against abuses. Manual labor has
been plagued with the tie to underground mafiasso's meddling in labor
management for a long time (I don't know about NOW, but it was back in
my childhood), and chances for abuses are just big just like you can
find in situations surrounding illegal Mexican workers, say, in
California.  Eg. Make them work hard and then you call immigration
office anonymously and have the workers arrested and deported. You
don't pay them salaries. What a raw deal. I have seen some newspaper
articles about similar cases.

   # 2 yens worth???

Eh, pun on my 2 cents worth... Never mind.

//Chiaki Ishikawa
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From: ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa)
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Subject: Re: Real Name Declaration (Was: How to survive in Japan)
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