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In article <2sb1j3$jt6@mudraker.mtholyoke.edu>,
Takeshi Ken Matsuda <matsuda@mtholyoke.edu> wrote:
>Joe Campbell (jpcampb@afterlife.ncsc.mil) wrote:
>
>> Please excuse my posting in English.  I hope that you can help me.
>> NinjaTerm or Terminal were recommended to me by the KIDLINK
>> coordinator in Japan. I'm attempting to use one of them for our
>> 5th grade students to communicate over KIDLINK-J with students in
>> Japan.  This is my first attempt to set up a computer (Macintosh LC-III)
>> to be Japanese compatible and I'd be most grateful if you could answer
>> a few questions and offer any advise:
>>  
>> 1) Is 0.98vx the current version of NinjaTerm and
>>    2.2-J1-0.0.11 the current version of Terminal?
>>    If not, can you tell me how to get them?
>>  
>My version of NinjaTerm is 97a4. Could you tell *me* where you
>obtained 0.98vx?

Actually, I found 4 versions:  0961-32bit, 0962 (which
appears to be older than 0961!), 097a4, and 098vx.  From
other responses, it appears that 0961 is the most stable
(0962 doesn't appear to be 32-bit compatible and I'm leery of
versions with trailing alpha characters).  I was hoping that a
later version would have built-in telephone number support.
Fortunately, Hiroki told me about Autolog (DA) that can
provide dialing support for NinjaTerm (and others I assume).
Archie found a bunch of NinjaTerms for me, here are a few:

Host ftp.phys.keio.ac.jp    (131.113.1.8)
Last updated 06:54 15 May 1994
 
    Location: /pub/mac/Communication
      FILE    -rw-r--r--  246580 bytes  13:27  4 Mar 1994  NinjaTerm_0.98vx.sit.hqx

Host ftp.geophys.hokudai.ac.jp    (133.50.22.9)
Last updated 11:39 23 May 1994
 
    Location: /pub/mac/network/ninjaterm
      FILE    -r--r--r--   96329 bytes  20:00  4 May 1990  ninjaterm-097a4_32bit.cpt.hqx

Host gatekeeper.dec.com    (16.1.0.2)
Last updated 23:34 24 May 1994
 
    Location: /.b/published/oreilly/nutshell/ujip/mac
      FILE    -r--r--r--  122271 bytes  20:00 12 Oct 1993  ninjaterm-0961-32.hqx

    (There are also some nice files (*.inf) from an O'Reilly book at
     this site.) 

>Also, I once tried Terminal, but that was 
>2.1x. Would you post where you obtained the above-mentioned 
>version?

I got Terminal2.2-J1-0.0.11 from the above site in the same directory
as NinjaTerm 0.961-32 (there are also some good files on Japanese text
processing files, *.inf, from an O'Reilly book in this directory -
speaking of such things, I got an informative file called
using-japanese-on-your-mac.sea from an info-mac mirror).

>> 2) Does NinjaTerm have the capability to store telephone
>>    numbers and execute scripts?  (Terminal appears to
>>    have this capability, but I haven't figured it out yet.)
>>  
>
>As far as I know, NinjaTerm does not have auto-login capabilities.
>I remember Terminal was able to do that. I think Terminal was
>more feature-packed, but I remember that I had no luck with it.
>I had problem displaying characters in JIS codes (New and Old)
>(it did display Shift-JIS characters), and my impression was
>that it was intended for connecting to commercial networks in
>Japan, not for using as terminal emulator for UNIX or VMS machines,
>but I may be wrong on this. One problem with NinjaTerm is that
>the only file transfer protocol supported is X-modem. NinjaTerm
>draws screen very quickly, though.

Thank you for explaining this (it would have taken me awhile to
discover it).   I guess NinjaTerm is my best bet (I'm kind of
hoping to find the Japanese equivalent of ZTerm 0.9).

Do you use MacJDic (English <-> Japanese dictionary)?
I wonder if it might help us from within our
telecommunications program while composing messages.
 
>> 3) On a US Mac, what is required to operate NinjaTerm 
>>    or Terminal (I assume fonts are required; I could
>>    install Apple's Japanese Language Kit - I think
>>    that KanjiTalk would be difficult for us because
>>    of the change in menus, etc.)?
>>  
>
>I am using NinjaTerm on an LCIII (System7.1-US and JLK). 
 
It appears that once I install Japanese Language Kit, I
should be up and running (I don't have room to install
all of its 12 disks of fonts though).  I hope the fonts
included in the minimal install (Kanji Fonts, Osaka,
Osaka L1, Osaka L2, SaiMincho L1, and Tohaba Osaka)
will suit are needs.  From NinjaTerm's menus, I see that
it uses Fukuoka and Hakata - are they built-into NinjaTerm,
or do I have to acquire and install them (they're not
on the 12 font disks from JLK)?

>I recently installed the System Upgrade 3.0, but have no problem.

What's System Upgrade 3.0?  If it's for the OS, does it apply to
System 7.1?

>I think both NinjaTerm and Telnet have English interfaces (all
>or most menu items are in English).

English helps!  We are most fortunate to have a Ms. Yamaguchi from
Japan visiting our school for a few more weeks to help us with
Japanese.  (I fetched the HyperCard stacks from U. of Minn,
boombox.micro.umn.edu, to learn some Hiragana and Katakana, but
it's tough going.)

Do you use MacJDic (English <-> Japanese dictionary)?
I wonder if it might help us from within our
telecommunications program while composing messages.

Thanks to everyone for their help, we're on our way! 
>> Joe
>>  
>> Dr. Campbell                           jpcampb@afterlife.ncsc.mil
>> Chair, PTA Technology Committee          74040.305@CompuServe.COM
>> Worthington Elementary School                        CELP@aol.com
>> Ellicott City, Howard County, Maryland         I speak for myself
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