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I have been using Paypal to pay for things I buy on Ebay for 4 years now.
I had one problem where I bought an item and it was shipped to the wrong
address and I got ALL (shipping charges too) my money back.
"Slap" <slap@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hUGIf.12803$B94.2344@pd7tw3no...
> I've been using PayPal and eBay for 6 years.  Works perfect as far as I'm
> concerned.  No problems whatsoever.
>
> Of course I don't expect eBay to bail me out if I make a stupid purchase
nor
> do I expect PayPal to.  It is buyer beware, there always seems to be
someone
> willing to rip you off.  Happens outside of eBay every day.
>
> "Packrat46" <phillip.coyle@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:weGIf.9570$Lr.3481@trnddc01...
> > In some cases this is true. I will never use paypal again after they
tried
> > to rip me off a few years ago and I am not the only one just go to
> > www.paypalsucks.com  and you will see for yourself how paypal works.
> >
> >
> > "ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:2NEIf.16159$7C3.2841@trnddc08...
> > > This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
> > > buyers beware
> > >
> > > My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under
> any
> > > circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these
people.
> > > They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.
> They
> > > will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically
and
> > > you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone
> uses
> > > that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often
> > > people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's
> > > just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before
> your
> > > going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of
fraud
> > >>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and
trust
> > >>> me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to
risk
> > >>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
> > >>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer
> > >>> Protection
> > >>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad,
depending
> > >>> on
> > >>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so
> far
> > >>> I
> > >>> can't have
> > >>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
> > >>> dollars
> > >>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you
> read
> > >>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you
> complain
> > >>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
> > >>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
bigger
> > >>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't
> > >>> care
> > >>> what happens cause you have little recourse.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> that's just the beginning of the rants
> > >> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please
listen
> > >> carefully
> > >> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a
> awful
> > >> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place (
sell
> > >> items with chance to get reasonable return)
> > >> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item,
> what
> > >> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links.
How
> > >> much
> > >> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to
> be
> > >> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours
doing
> > >> it
> > >> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
> > >> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ;
lie
> > >> to
> > >> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you
> off
> > >> their backs and each representative tells you something different,
and
> I
> > >> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
> > >> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place
but
> > >> most
> > >> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
> > >> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often
won't
> > >> get
> > >> your
> > >> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal
often
> > >> just
> > >> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many
days.
> > >> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> > >> middleman like a bookie
> > >>
> > >> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis,
don't
> > >> ever
> > >> give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically
take
> > >> out
> > >> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in
> my
> > >> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't
> believe
> > >> its
> > >> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the
overall
> > >> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers
> who
> > >> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not
the
> > >> same
> > >> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and
on.
> At
> > >> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and
this
> > >> is
> > >> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its
> > >> just
> > >> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is
> > >> with
> > >> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to
> > >> Paypal
> > >> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able
to
> > >> spot
> > >> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
> > >> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise.
NOTONCE
> > >> not
> > >> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these
> > >> people
> > >> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your
> > >> life?
> > >> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no
> or
> > >> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal
> your
> > >> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
> > >>> there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on
their
> > >>> descriptions
> > >>> Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item
and
> > >>> auction you can very easily be defrauded.
> > >>> Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
> > >>> protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited
> > >>> often
> > >>> enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to
> prove
> > >>> it.
> > >>> without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
> > >>> beware
> > >>> and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >>
> this
> > >>> is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has
> > >>> actually lied to me , and
> > >>> on
> > >>> the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
> > >>> racket.
> > > On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
> > >>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events
> who
> > >>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not
> > >>> against them I am just
> > >>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you
> > >>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end
you
> > >>> end up losing .>>
> > >> that's just the beginning of the rants
> > > Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
> > > lots and lots of fees
> > > When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item,
> what
> > > auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links.
When
> I
> > > complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ;
lie
> to
> > > you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you
off
> > > their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
> > > redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
> > > merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't
get
> > > your
> > > money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often
> > > just
> > > takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> > > Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> > > middleman like a bookie
> > >
> > >
> > > <teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
> > >> for as long as I am online
> > >> Its full of fraud
> > >> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
> > >> Even if you buy bad item like electronics
> > >> your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I
can't
> > >> have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs
$30
> > >> dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear
unless
> > >> you
> > >> read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping
> even
> > >> with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
> > >> bigger chance of automatic loss.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ">>
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