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ebaysucks wrote:
> Let me tell you something. I hate liars and paypal representatives lied to 
> me over and over. I thought I was dealing with real company that was above 
> board with billions of dollars of assets and told the truth.. I now realize 
> why Ebay is full of sellers that paypal and ebay protect no matter if its 
> good or bad.
> "Packrat46" <phillip.coyle@verizon.net> wrote in message 
> news:weGIf.9570$Lr.3481@trnddc01...
> 
>>In some cases this is true. I will never use paypal again after they tried 
>>to rip me off a few years ago and I am not the only one just go to 
>>www.paypalsucks.com  and you will see for yourself how paypal works.
>>
>>
>>"ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message 
>>news:2NEIf.16159$7C3.2841@trnddc08...
>>
>>>This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
>>>buyers beware
>>>
>>>My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under any 
>>>circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people. 
>>>They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.  They 
>>>will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically and 
>>>you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone uses 
>>>that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often 
>>>people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's 
>>>just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before your 
>>>going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud
>>>
>>>>>you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust 
>>>>>me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk 
>>>>>losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
>>>>>Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer 
>>>>>Protection
>>>>>your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending 
>>>>>on
>>>>>a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so far 
>>>>>I
>>>>>can't have
>>>>>it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30 
>>>>>dollars
>>>>>though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you read
>>>>>small print and your automatically going to be out that if you complain
>>>>>..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
>>>>>paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
>>>>>chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't 
>>>>>care
>>>>>what happens cause you have little recourse.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>that's just the beginning of the rants
>>>>Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
>>>>carefully
>>>>lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a 
>>>>awful
>>>>beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
>>>>items with chance to get reasonable return)
>>>>When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, 
>>>>what
>>>>auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How 
>>>>much
>>>>time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to be
>>>>bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing 
>>>>it
>>>>for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
>>>>complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>>>>to
>>>>you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>>>>their backs and each representative tells you something different, and I
>>>>couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
>>>>redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but 
>>>>most
>>>>of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
>>>>merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't 
>>>>get
>>>>your
>>>>money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>>>>just
>>>>takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>>>>Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>>>>middleman like a bookie
>>>>
>>>>Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't 
>>>>ever
>>>>give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take 
>>>>out
>>>>funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in my
>>>>view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't believe 
>>>>its
>>>>very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
>>>>process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers 
>>>>who
>>>>claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the 
>>>>same
>>>>item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on. 
>>>>At
>>>>some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this 
>>>>is
>>>>why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its 
>>>>just
>>>>as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is 
>>>>with
>>>>them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to 
>>>>Paypal
>>>>or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to 
>>>>spot
>>>>the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
>>>>doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE 
>>>>not
>>>>twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these 
>>>>people
>>>>your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your 
>>>>life?
>>>>NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no or
>>>>little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal 
>>>>your
>>>>credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
>>>>>there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
>>>>>descriptions
>>>>>Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
>>>>>auction you can very easily be defrauded.
>>>>>Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
>>>>>protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited 
>>>>>often
>>>>>enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to prove
>>>>>it.
>>>>>without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
>>>>>beware
>>>>>and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >> 
>>>>>this is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has 
>>>>>actually lied to me , and
>>>>>on
>>>>>the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
>>>>>racket.
>>>
>>>On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
>>>
>>>>>You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events 
>>>>>who
>>>>>could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not 
>>>>>against them I am just
>>>>>showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you 
>>>>>wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you 
>>>>>end up losing .>>
>>>>
>>>>that's just the beginning of the rants
>>>
>>>Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
>>>lots and lots of fees
>>>When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
>>>auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When I
>>>complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>>>to
>>>you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>>>their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
>>>redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
>>>merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get 
>>>your
>>>money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>>>just
>>>takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>>>Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>>>middleman like a bookie
>>>
>>>
>>><teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
>>>
>>>>for as long as I am online
>>>>Its full of fraud
>>>>you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
>>>>Even if you buy bad item like electronics
>>>>your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
>>>>have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
>>>>dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless 
>>>>you
>>>>read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping 
>>>>even
>>>>with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
>>>>bigger chance of automatic loss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 
You're full of CRAP
I have been using EBAY for years with no problems.
Me thinks that you are just too dumb to use EBAY
Go away little boy!