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i have been buying off of ebay forn years

have always used paypal... and i have NEVER once had a problem...

as for ebay, i do admit you have to be careful when buying as there are alot 
of scammers, however i doesn't really take a scientist to point out the 
scammers....
-its the people with 0 or very little feedback who have never sold before
-usually don't know jack about the product they are selling....

i have never had a problem EVER with buying on ebay or paying with 
paypal....


"ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message 
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> This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
> buyers beware
>
> My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under any 
> circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people. 
> They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.  They 
> will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically and 
> you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone uses 
> that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often 
> people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's 
> just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before your 
> going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud
>>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust 
>>> me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk 
>>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
>>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer 
>>> Protection
>>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending 
>>> on
>>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so far 
>>> I
>>> can't have
>>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30 
>>> dollars
>>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you read
>>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you complain
>>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
>>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
>>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't 
>>> care
>>> what happens cause you have little recourse.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> that's just the beginning of the rants
>> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
>> carefully
>> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a awful
>> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
>> items with chance to get reasonable return)
>> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
>> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How 
>> much
>> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to be
>> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing 
>> it
>> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
>> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>> to
>> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>> their backs and each representative tells you something different, and I
>> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
>> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but 
>> most
>> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
>> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't 
>> get
>> your
>> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>> just
>> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>> middleman like a bookie
>>
>> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't 
>> ever
>> give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take 
>> out
>> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in my
>> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't believe 
>> its
>> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
>> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers who
>> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the 
>> same
>> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on. At
>> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this 
>> is
>> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its 
>> just
>> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is 
>> with
>> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to 
>> Paypal
>> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to 
>> spot
>> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
>> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE 
>> not
>> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these 
>> people
>> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your 
>> life?
>> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no or
>> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal your
>> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
>>
>>
>>> My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
>>> there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
>>> descriptions
>>> Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
>>> auction you can very easily be defrauded.
>>> Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
>>> protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited 
>>> often
>>> enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to prove
>>> it.
>>> without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
>>> beware
>>> and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >> this 
>>> is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has 
>>> actually lied to me , and
>>> on
>>> the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
>>> racket.
> On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
>>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events who
>>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not 
>>> against them I am just
>>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you 
>>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you 
>>> end up losing .>>
>> that's just the beginning of the rants
> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
> lots and lots of fees
> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When I
> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie to
> you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
> their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
> redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get 
> your
> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
> just
> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> middleman like a bookie
>
>
> <teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> for as long as I am online
>> Its full of fraud
>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics
>> your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
>> have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
>> dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless 
>> you
>> read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even
>> with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
>> bigger chance of automatic loss.
>>
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