🚀 go-pugleaf

"Howard Goldstein" <hgoldste@mpcs.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:01:50 GMT, Richard Morrison <chooch@casagrande.com>
wrote:
>  :  On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:09:57 GMT, hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein)
>  :  wrote:
>  :
>  : >Propose it in fl.config.  Historically new fl groups have been
>  : >discussed there and created upon reaching a consensus amongst
>  : >Floridians.
>  : >
>  : >Besides a new group I think it would be helpful to get a nice charter
>  : >for this group in place.  If anyone else is interested in discussing
>  : >that please say so.
>  : >
>  :
>  :  Creating a new group will simply give the jerks one _more_ place to
>  :  post to.  They have already shown that they will post their crap
>  :  anywhere, anytime.  They routinely crosspost widely and ignore
>  :  charters and no-crossposting rules.  In their zeal to "get" one
>  :  another they don't care who else is inconvenienced by their actions.
>  :  It would be wonderful to simply leave them behind, but historically
>  :  they don't stay left behind.  They follow.
>  :
>  :  The sad fact is that the "rules" are generally unenforceable; they
>  :  depend on people following them voluntarily.
>
> One problem is we don't have an enforceable charter for fl.general.
> Most of the remailed crap would go away if there were a well-written
> charter to throw at the m2n gateway, either voluntarily or because the
> offendors will get depeered.  We can't reach that point without a
> charter.
>
>
>
>  :
>  :  Having said that, there is one way to prevent these kinds of posts
>  :  from clogging up a group; i.e. create a moderated newsgroup.
>
> All of the newer fl groups are moderated, some by hand but most by
> robot (fl.travel and fl.gardening are two examples, respectively).
> It's easy enough to set this up for new Florida groups.  I'm not sure
> moderated is the way to go for a new group but I tend to favor it if
> only to get around the impossiblity of universal honoring of cancels.
>
>  :  Unfortunately, the best advice I can give for dealing with these jerks
>  :  is to ignore them.  If your newsreader has a filter, use it, otherwise
>  :  ignore their posts and _don't_ let yourself get drawn into replying to
>  :  them.  Things will eventually calm down and normal posters can resume.
>  :  It's frustrating, but it works.
>
> Can't say that often enough.  If folks would ignore the trolls >and<
> shun those who feed them the trolls will leave.  The strategy *always*
> works, and it's much easier than setting up whitelists and talking new
> groups through our config process.

It is not too late for us to develop one. And I can say this that IF we did,
several of the M2N gateways HAVE promised to stop the BS. All we need to do
is get a local sys admin to sponsor the creation  of it. I can ask mine if
they will step into the fray. But given the harassment that they are already
getting... They may not be real eager.