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hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) wrote:
>On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:05:42 GMT, Kenneth Pangborn
><kenpangborn@earthlink.net> wrote:
> : 
> : "Howard Goldstein" <hgoldste@mpcs.com> wrote in message
> : news:987257846.8669@news.queue.to...
> : > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 07:51:01 GMT, admin@mixmaster.shinn.net.no.spam.to
> : <admin@mixmaster.shinn.net.no.spam.to> wrote:
> : >  : Again, look at the headers.  These a posts from the Frog remailer
> : >  : gatewayed by our mail2news gateway.
> : >
> : > I understand.  Getting a handle on the common point of abuse dispersal
> : > works in similar situations however (as for ex. with open wingates,
> : > fucked up DNEWS installs, open mail relays, and the like) You're in an
> : > unenviable position here.  It's likely you don't condone the forgeries
> : > but I don't see how you can avoid responsibility for them by virtue of
> : > their haivng been gatewayed.  It's not clear how they'd get into fl.*
> : > but for the gateway.
> : >
> : >  : One simple e-mail to us would
> : >  : suffice to have thge forged from: lines blocked, but thats not
> : >  : going to solve the problem of that from: line being forged the Frog
> : >  : remailer (and any other host we do not have control over).
> : 
> : 
> : Howard it is simple, Shinn won't do anything to spare the infected
> : newsgroups from the abuse.
>
>I don't recall him saying he wouldn't consider some mechanism to deal
>with forged From: addresses *before* they were used.  Authentication
>of some kind should be manadatory.  Given how few significant sites
>honor cancels these days, the damage is done once it leaves the gateway
>and most after the fact remedies are IMO inadequate.

Shinn doesn't allow forged From: addresses.  It allows "name only" from:
headers.  In order for these to qualify as forgeries, Ken Pangborn would
have to prove that he's the only person bearing that name.  

>
>These days one has to try very hard or be incredibly bad to get
>depeered.  In my mind forged From:s rank up there with hipclone runs,
>netcopping to employers, forged moderator approvals, and the like.

But there have been no forged "from" headers.  

>That particular batch of forgeries was an example of the worst of the
>worst: Joeing innocent non-combatants in an attempt to get rid of you.
>That's unjustifiable and wrong.  It's also proven itself ineffective
>and in one of strange twists in the universe, granted you the moral
>high ground.

If someone is worried about mistaken identity, they should use PGP.
Problem solved.