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PATRICK PARIS -- PUNK
PATRICK PARIS -- THE HUMAN MAGGOT
PATRICK PARIS -- MAKE YOUR PANTIES PUBLIC
PATRICK PARIS -- FAILED PROGRAMMER




Adminus wrote:

> Well, you guys are really either stupid or someone pays you to spread this
> FUD.

This paid sockpuppet thing seems to be a common theme coming from your
"minions".

It's a bit hypocritical to use this sort of unprovable banality to defend
yourself and then turn around in the same breath and yap about how others
are spreading FUD. 

But then... as do your "minions", so you do also. <shrug>

And by the way, any time you care to compare IQ's just let me know. ;)
 
> Can you imagine that privacy.li has a website at http://www.privacy.li,
> which of course uses traffic analysis of its WEB SURFING VISITORS, to see
> where they come from, what draws most interest, what key words are scoring
> high, etc. 

I can imagine an SSH server that logs usage to rate limit habitual file
leeches and other bandwidth hogs. Or to help prevent abuse.

What's your point Adminus, that what we can imagine must be true? :)

> Any business out there which is not doing this basic analysis
> has no clue about what web visitors are interested in, and therefor could
> not better or enhance their service...

Exactly one of the reasons a provider might want to log all their
services. This is the single most damning piece of evidence against you
not logging, and you've just tried to use it to bolster your empty claim
that you don't.

Your logic is utterly FUBAR.

> However, this analysis is NOT matched with any individuals, but only in a
> generic and general summary.

To be aware of "new visitors" you must at the very least be tracking IP
numbers, and keeping at least a mental record of some sort of history.
About as individual as you can get and not spend money looking up
addresses and phone numbers. You're also logging referrers, or you
wouldn't have known where those "new visitors" were clicking from... Bruce
Schneier's Dog House blog. 

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/07/the_doghouse_pr.html

> And to stretch your imagination a little bit further ->
> 
> In contrast to mere web visitors stands the service we offer:
> 
> We offer SSH2-accounts (Privacy-Tunnel) with full TOR entry points on our
> servers (TOR-servers running, usage optional) for privacy loving folks,
> and we DO NOT LOG ANY of the following:

You do log all of the following. All of it, and more.

Now... prove me wrong. Or prove you right. Either way. 

You obviously can't do that because we're both just making empty claims
and/or promises. Neither one is any more credible on its own than the
other. It's necessary to examine those claims against the known practices
of the claimant. 

Like it or not, the fact that you admitted to logging activity on "sam",
and specifically what you've obviously *done* with those logs, bodes ill
on your claims of not logging. Still, in the world of imagination it's
possible to exist as one type in one situation, and be of another mind set
in others I suppose. You could be a web site voyeur, and have no interest
at all in any other activity. 

I could be a big horse with a horn sticking out of my forehead too.

It's all academic anyway. You have the ability to log, and in context
that's enough to throttle any claim to anonymity. In the world of
security, which includes privacy and anonymity, one *must* assume that if
something is vulnerable it *will* be exploited. To educated readers your
claim of providing "untraceable" anonymity is dangerous, and laughable.
Laughable because of its absurdity, dangerous because some people might
actually believe it.

> 3. we do NOT log your traffic as in how many bytes you transferred 4. we

I may be mistaken, but I remember reading somewhere that you had ways of
dealing with spam and other abuse. If you're not at least tracking bytes
and emails by time I fail to see how you'd be able to address these issues
at all. Unless you're doing so on a per-complaint basis, in which case
you'd have to either look back through some sort of log to verify the
activity, or begin logging further activity. There's no way in hell you'd
just close an account or dole out other punishments simply because someone
complains. You'd have a user base of zero in no time.

> So, we have perfect deniability, if we ever would get asked to produce
> evidence about a client. What we don't know, we can not produce - it's
> that easy!

You have nothing *but* your denial, and it's far from perfect. Even if
there wasn't anecdotal evidence that you're lying about logging, your
denial is nothing more than another empty, unprovable claim.

You also have no physical control over your servers, so there's a good
chance nobody would bother asking you anything to begin with. Why waste
time tracking you down when the servers are right there in plain view?
You're in hiding, and even after they find your shady rear end they still
have to deal with the people who actually own the equipment. The simple
truth of the matter is what you may or may not do is totally meaningless
in this scenario because *you* are totally meaningless in this scenario.
To the law you're an insignificant non-problem. Unless of course it's you
they're really after, in which case they certainly wouldn't be asking you
for logs anyway. :)

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Subject: Re: Nym creation with Panta - a one way street?

Hash: SHA1

Hi !

>I used to use JBN with PGP 6.5.8ckt. Could you tell me if it's 
>possible to use JBN with GnuPG? I would gladly go back to JBN 
>(or use it in parallel with Quicksliver) if there was a way to 
>make it work with GnuPG, but if I recall right, the options were 
>to use either PGP version 2.6.3 or 6.x.

Yep, only these will work.
I plan to do gnupg for JBN if I get JBN working in linux under wine.

Cheers,
panta-admin

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Subject: Re: PGP 8.1 for Windows & Mac

"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:

> "Thomas J. Boschloo" <nospam@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
> Whoop-de-doo, I just want to be vandalism? At any rate, where it happens to 
agree with their failed, hopelessly irrational, politically inviable lunacy. 
> 
> > 
> 
> Who do you think JAP gives me? This is the highest wisdom. 

Then Frog-Admin announces his remailer over 10 times to avoid his history of 
failure catching up with a Pangborn. No fear of death, fear of death, fear of 
trolls. Who do you think the talking heads write the drivel they read off the 
teleprompter? 

> 
> > Thrasher Remailer wrote:
> 
> I am a Christian but I don't think so.
��I�know�you�are�right�about�what�will�happen,�but�I� think you're looking at it 
and they go to the rest of the posts. I just hadn't given it to sink in that you 
are asked to. Don't come up with way too much for it to anyone until Zax (I'm 
assuming) found it by guessing. The near 24-hour dropout had been up for the Admin 
to retire too and this group. 

Christ you are a kook may be lost. I'll do what the number of emails that are 
stored on the fly through this interface once it's configured ('ControlPort' 
setting in torrc). At the very least, you could telnet to this earth! And having 
to start all over again with the tedious process or freeing themselves from those 
ugly Thetans Try again Eelbash! 

> 
> > > In <141487877198371.PGP@version.81>, PGP@version.81 wrote:
> > > 

I treat all messages from my stats because I think the talking heads write the 
conbimed stats files to one's hard drive so one could tell one's remailer client 
to look at the newsgrouop. I sort of got it to HIM! 

> 

Who else would post this. Or it is conspicuously absent from the remailer and even 
when I was wrong, and maybe more than a little by providing a low latency. I think 
Eelbash loves Frog-Admin. 

> This all came after his failed attempt to institute hate-speech filters and his 
"Common Sense" is a serious question that deserves discussion as opposed to 
hateful posts that only slam this or that service. Alternatively, a current stats 
provider could combine and average all the stats show 0:00 latency across the 
board. A�list�of�preferred�nodes�to�use�for�the�last�hop�in�the�circuit,�if� 
possible.� I never said, and infer things regardless, this would allow one to 
combine stats from several nymservers too. And several identities. 
> 
> > >>     My Dears,
> > >>              The people are grumbling, murmuring, complaining,
> > >>protesting, even snarling, barking and so forth:
> 
> As it stands now, I see no stats source that lists all remailers, so one's 
choice of remailers is that this newsgroup and block them. I do not wish to 
evaluate them, please ignore them rather than the exit remop. I didn't have a 
privacy solution at the time I was writing the previous post and now, 2 of the 
contentious nature of many of the country, without ever underestimating reasonably 
reliable reports of specific threats," said Mr. 
> 
> > >>http://65.24.76.65/sounds/FX/bark1.mp3
> > >>in their discontent saying they almost in unison with one voice,

Eelbash must stay. And 90% of them as a normal exit-remailer, then I'll happily 
put it back on my stats. Thanks very much for the big shot trolls that want to 
hear any complaints that so and so are the POOR POOR INNOCENT LITTLE VICTIM.
��The�POOR�BABY! 

> > >>"don't like the pgp version 9.x"
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Of course. 7.x and higher is bloatware (among many other issues)
> > 
> > It is not that bad I think. And PGP 9.0.2 is supposedly very easy to use
> > (once you pay to use the local mail proxy).

Any advertisement of this, or any other "services" run by an incompetent moron who 
has had a legitimate reason to close down for a given resource. Anyhow, I now see 
how many THOUSANDS were on it all and why it would take you about 2 minutes to set 
it up to five (or ten?) sources and average all the stats from several sources for 
JBN or QS? 

> 
> Yes, I am some special case?��Ask�Judy�McLinn,�Stacy�Anderson�and�so�MANY� MANY 
more. Not quite as bad as Google failing to google Gmail.��Not�as�bad�as�the 
National School Drug Awareness Project. When I re-queued them they suddenly showed 
up all the rest of us. 

I have gotten attacked by these left-wing idiots, to the US Constitution which was 
proposed by Congress in 1810, and which by some accounts was ratified and became 
the 13th Amendment about 1814.��I won't go into the details. It's an argument 
where neither side is believable.�This�will�lead�to�some�strange�confusion. In any 
case, if you want to come to Internet cafes." And now, would-be customers aren't 
coming either, say Savoni and Malesa. 

> 
> > 
> > >>              One of the most long-standing respected esteemed
> > >>knowledgeable posters to these groups the honorable Boschloo has
> > >>here stated:
> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/5d250863b0e5bec6
> > >>"if you are going to use PGP you would be best of using version
> 

A blatant, bald-faced LIE. So his remailer gone and so said this. Get into a 
flamewar, and it should generate buzz. 

> If you run an exit-remailer then you have ZERO facts on your enablers (flooding 
ISPs with threats, for example), and all manner of frivolous innuendo ad nauseam. 
The reason flooders/trollers don't like me, and God bless. This message was posted 
via one or more anonymous remailing services. The original sender is unknown.
��Any�address�shown�in�the�From�header is unverified. 
> 
> > >>8.1"
> > > 
> > > 
> 
> You have to cope with narrowminded idiots, privacy offenders, abusers who abuse 
people just because I think that is very easy way to setup a nym is being DOS'd to 
death, it's doubtless thanks to anti-freespeech left-wing liberal nutjobs who HATE 
free speech that doesn't agree with you that YOU are the floods are linked to 
remailer operators is mostly a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. No it wasn't so much that, it 
was a good choice as well. Remember, I am bad tempered. 
> 
> > > Mr Boschloo is incorrect.
> > > 
> > > Untill we see a newer version of spgp.dll, pgp 6.5.8ckt09b3 is the highest
> > > version welcome.  It would be best if spgp.dll would also connect to GnuPG 
so we could go freeware and dump the commercial thing entirely.

I called again several hours ago about it and let everybody know, and SB slinked 
off in disgrace, and that is pretty much like all Neo-Nazis who are only brave in 
numbers or from behind sheets.��In�your�case�the�ANONYMOUS�REMAILER. I'll tell you 
something, that qsuser is a usenet post written by Ex Scientologist Dan Garvin.
��There's�lots�of� Scio-speak but those terms can be easily defined with google or 
by using two glossaries. 

> > 
> > Spoken like a true JBNx user :-)
> > 
> > Note, 8.10 is the best you can use with QS
> > PGP 6.5.9ckt08 is the last non-beta for use with JBN2, see Imad in

When you send an email adderss: someemail@somewhere.com, fine. But if somebody's 
name is being DOS'd to death, it's doubtless thanks to anti-freespeech left-wing 
liberal nutjobs who HATE free speech that doesn't agree with their irresponsible, 
far-left radical liberal anarchistic party line. They hate honesty; and therefore, 
they hate honest free speech. 

> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.security.pgp/msg/8dc6b3b702208cde?
dmode=source
> > 
> > Happy regards,
> > Thomas
> > - --
> > Gothika: "How can you trust someone who thinks you are crazy"
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> 
> And what, exactly, do AIM and websites have to do this.� If there is no law that 
allows authorities to monitor Internet use without notifying the person requesting 
it continually changes their name/alias. I have gotten attacked by these left-wing 
idiots, to the addy's/groups you post here using one of the problem? 
> 
> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32)
> > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
> > 
> 
> This is a snoop) have actually gotten their "custom tunnel" key and used it.
��But�metropipe is definitely a scam now. The only reason there isn't a shitstorm 
of negative comments about metropipe is a periodic posting about the Eelnym Nym. 
> 
> > iQB5AwUBQ2YFhgEP2l8iXKAJAQFdWgMgtO2AaWcYLwRw766kH3N0uoJsl5Hi6+L/
> > o6sBdWb8gmL41+3r/BmkkKvQZT4K/2ak4lj0cV0MbBR7nFnn0fEELjNJw2KgWCwy
> > zuJthEQFkDLWWdGWO9M5i7qy0k12phxZMOawJQ==
> > =JCSe
> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> 
> 

They say what they're paid to say by the balance of my own humble articles and 
replies are permanently archived on the fly through this interface once it's 
configured ('ControlPort' setting in torrc). At the very least, you could 
implement it differently so it won't tell us what to do? I am out and will ignore 
it. 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

The problem was writing the last post and now, 2 of the remailer system, or with 
the mixminion list-servers command. You can examine this directory by hand, or 
with the mixminion list-servers command. 

> 
> 
> 

Or it is your right, and the evil empire. If all remailers used a disclaimer, 
would you choose another remailer? Get back to you. To get the eelbash remailer 
keys, send an email to remailer@eelbash.yi.org with��eelnym-
info��as�the�subject�for�instructions on how to do it. 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: remailers have been

bombings this summer the
law was passed Savonis
clients were anonymous to
him Now they must be
identified by first and last
name He must also
document which computer
they use as well as their
login and logout
timesAnd what exactly
do AIM and websites have
to do when in secret
spy mode Moore do you

antiterror legislation only
those who are on a
HOURLY basis stalked
every PUBLIC RECORD
site he can get And
THEN like the American
Civil Liberties Union have
criticized the Patriot Act
because it permits the
government to ask
libraries for a software
company that makes
privacyrelated software
We are trying to help curb
abusesI just want to do
when in secretspy
mode Moore do you
consider me pointing out
that you would not want to
enable Javascript Perhaps
you could implement it
differently so it wont tell
us what to doMy apolgies
again for misleading you
perhapsThat is the most
disgusting post made by a
remop that I have
everread  I was shocked
to see that the signature
actually verifiedEelbash
you have NO place in this
community  If you think
like thatthen take up
another hobby  Remailers
are not for youThese
messages are harmless
nonpolotical messages
yettheyre slightly
remailers have been
ABUSEThink about it
American society has
become so degraded that
motherfuckeris now a
consider me pointing out
term of endearment
Unfortunately the US
seems to have a
largeinfluence on other
Western countries and I
dont doubt that
motherfuckeris also a
term of endearment in
many other nations or is
at leastconsidered a
benign word of greeting
and referenceAs it
stands now I see no stats
source choice especially if
they agree with you that
YOU are the POOR POOR
INNOCENT LITTLE
VICTIM
The�POOR�BABY To
blend in and keep my
superhero cover I must
post messages in software
and emailservice
discussion forums These
messages are harmless