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Article #540Re: An Extremely Useful Area Coding System
From: John Miller
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:39
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:39
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I posted an article criticizing Shen's Natural Area Code proposal. He followed up on my article and commented on other articles. All of his arguments take leaps at some point or another in order to justify the use of his NAC codes. His conclusions to not follow from his premises, in nearly every case. I do not have time to dispute every one, but I have pulled out two here. SHEN> A mathematic coordinate system is the most efficient way to express a point and to search the point on a surface, that has been promoting all the development of whole modern science and technology. Don't argue! It has been the proved fact. ME> On a SURFACE, o.k., but the proof does not apply to a PLANET. Shen claims that his system is low cost, but then goes on to explain that it really needs this extensive computer database at every sorting station that knows all about the surrounding terrain, etc: SHEN> A computer sorting machine should include lots of information, such as the local geographical information, road and street distribution, and post offices locations, etc, which will determine the optimized transport and delivery route. For sorting international mails, a sortng program will take into account all the information about the countries borders, main airports, airlines, and some post agreements between countries, etc; ME> This is a lot of information to maintain and use. Other systems could be developed that do not depend on augmentation by detailed information to get the mail delivered AND to route emergency vehicles, etc. What would a NAC map really look like? Why would a single scale map not be completely covered with NAC codes? In order to be useful without the common address, a map would need to have every NAC code for every 50x25 m parcel. Without all digits of the code (8 for every parcel) I could only get to the general area. Then I would need either another scale map to get to the actual house unless there are NAC signs posted virtually every where and I had some sense of how to navigate NAC signs! You couldn't locate places in the west hills of my city unless you had complete resolution down to each house because of the way streets go through or do not go through. As explained above, I don't think that it is practical to print such detailed maps to support the use of NAC. Such a set of maps for my own city would be quite thick, and would have more information than practically needed in order to explicitly locate every single home or business. I don't think I should need a satellite or a portable computer tapped into a data base somewhere in order to locate an address via NAC code. Further, houses, buildings and roads are not built on exact NAC points. I can't see this working for the various size parcels and the overlap situations that might come up. Who gets what NAC Code!!?!?! Shen seems to think that NAC codes will help locate folks in need of rescue in the rural areas. Unlikely. Let's say that I am out in the country and just went off the road. I have a cell phone with me. What do I do? Walk to the nearest NAC sign and call it in? If we have NAC signs every 25 or 50 meters -- no problem.. or is it? Do I not understand where people would come up with NAC codes out of thin air. This proposal looks as if it were produced by a second-year computer science student who has learned about compression and quadrature. Just because Latitude and Longitude can be compressed into 8 or so digits does not mean that we must try to use them to locate places on a fractal like surface -- too much overhead in translating from code to the terrain. Other naming systems can deal with the real nature of the earth -- millions of wonderful nooks and crannies, homes down dead-end lanes, places in the country. NAC codes are a technical nightmare, and they have no chance of being used for the purposes stated. It sounds useful but it really isn't. John -- "What's ahead?"
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