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On 21 Oct 2000 22:40:42 GMT, Chris Sidi <sidi@angband.org> wrote:

>In git.general jim patterson <jrp32@nospambellsouth.net> wrote:
>> ...and the wrong people will always have a gun.
>
>Is this the case in every country, including the ones that have always
>outlawed guns?
>

I don't think there is a country that has always outlawed guns.

I also don't think there has been a totalitarian regime since the
advent of modern weaponry that has allowed the citizenry to 
possess arms.

I can think of no country which required registration of guns where
the government did not end up confiscating the arms of the citizens.

I think a lot more but i will spare you most, just a few comments
below. 

>-Sidi (willing to believe a war on guns in this country at this point
>would be as effective and cheap as the war on drugs, but wonders what if
>they had been heavily restricted all along.)

>In England last year they had 14 deaths from handguns, the US - 23,000
>deaths from handguns.  But there's no connection - and you'd be a fool and
>a communist to make one - between having a gun and shooting someone with
>it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone.             -Bill Hix0rs

If you really believe the above figure, you should realize that it
includes police action, suicides and most of it is criminal on
criminal or criminals shooting unarmed citizens or citizens who are
not armed well enough to deal with human predators.

Insofar as england is concerned, if you think everything is just ducky
over there and that they have no guns then read:
http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/gun/Story/0,2763,363761,00.html

I was right surprised.   I thought they hit each other with fists a
lot and held up stores with baseball bats.  And I understand that the
guardian is a left leaning liberal paper.

I am sure you know that in Merry Olde England you have no right to
protect yourself or loved ones with lethal force or in fact(by law and
precedent) any force which exceeds that of your attacker.  And I
understand that the guardian is a left leaning paper.

I think your quote above leaves out the deaths from AK-47s, Uzis and
the like in england.  In fact i i know it must since i know the murder
figures for the year 2 years in the UK. (Not including N. Ireland)

Did you know that Socialist Republic of the UK has banned airsoft
rifles that have a muzzle velocity of greater than 180 FPS at one
metre from the muzzle?  180 FPS will not even break the skin.
However, they don't seem to be doing to well at keeping MAC 10s and
such out of the hands of criminals.  But the police are doing real
well at shooting and terrorizing their own unarmed citizenry.

And there are those who want to see this come to the US?

Why should i call the land of my ancestors a socialist republic?
Because it is, and it sickens me to see what it is reduced to.  Read
some of uk.politics.guns if you don't think so.

I hope you read that URL.  They have had gun control over there since
1920.   That is eighty years and they just can't seem to get it right.
Must be time to pass more laws.  Yeah, that works, doesn't it.

"When a tyrant first appears he always comes as your protector."
-- Magnus Frater te spectat --