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Kieran Edward Fletcher wrote:

> A human hunter with say,.. a remington 700 BDL (stainless steel) chambered to
> 7mm Rem. Mag., made by humans, can take say a deer sized creature at a range of
> 500 yards, up hill, without the prey even knowing the human's there (based on
> a shoot I witnessed).  Where as the tiger must 1 sneak up on its prey,
> chase its prey down and kill it.  Advantage:  Slow, poor sensory equipted,
> weak human.  The human mind it what makes possible for us to survive,
> lets face it, without our intellect were just walking pizzas for any
> large preditor out there that wants a meal.

I would very much like to see somebody shoot a deer at 500 yards.  That is a very
irresponsible and unethical thing to do.  Nobody should ever take a shot at an
animal more than 300 yards away.  Most people do not know the long range
ballistics involed; such as the the average 40" drop of the round when it is
sighted in at 200 yards, or the amount of downrange energy that it as at 500
yards (though I am sure it is more than ample) or 18" in drift that a 10mph wind
woud have.  Surely no person should ever ethically shoot at an animal beyond 300
yards, the capability of most people in hunting situations with hunting rifles.
I have been shooting for 18+ years and know the implications here.  The margin of
error on the vitals on a deer at 500 yards is huge, who would want to track that
animal for possible days, especially since the 7mm mag will more than likely pass
straight through and not even expand on the animal, 7mm mag is not something for
deer sized game, especially tiny 120# deer here in GA, that moron should take
this class.

> Kieran
> gt8419b
> I really would have loved to see the reaction at the range, where everyone
> is plinking away with 9mm's (worthless round), and 38' when I start
> sighting in a 300 Win. Mag..

> And now the 9mm round is worthless.  That is why it is one of the most popular
> rounds in the world and has been through countless wars, police use, and self
> defense situations.  The 9mm is an excellent round.  I doubt you even know the
> difference between a FMJ and a hollow point round.  Many debates have been made
> over the 9mm round, it is by far one of the most popular to drug dealers,
> criminals and thieves, who can buy cheap "saturday night specials" chambered in
> 9mm, then buy the cheapest ammunition that they can buy, FMJ rounds (which with
> a 9mm normally just pass through the body causing no damage that is why people
> unload theirs on others) making people call it "worthless".  A JHP 9mm 115
> grain round made by Cor-Bon loaded with +P ammunition is one of the most
> effective cartridges out there for police and self defense with an approximate
> 92% effectiveness with a one shot stop, and rates right up there with .40 S&W
> .45 ACP and .357 SIG, nor only that the 9mm loaded right is right up there with
> a .357 mag ballistically.  The military is limited FMJ rounds because of
> various conventions and treaties, besides why kill a man in combat when you can
> incapacitate him and then have 2 or 3 other soldiers remove him from the
> battlefield so that he can be treated for his wounds.  You have no idea what
> you're even talking about.  I'd like to see you shoot a .300 mag load, then go
> home and cry to mommy because you're shoulder hurts after firing a few rounds,
> I bet you know mere names and have never even shot one.

>

>
> In git.general College Republicans <dsadmcr@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> : The College Republicans are holding a Gun Safety Class and Fun Shoot this
> : Saturday (April 15th) at 10:00am in the Microelectronics Research Building.
> : This event is open to all students.  The purpose of the class in to teach
> : students how to handle, store, and operate firearms safely.  We will have a
> : variety of guns for people to use as well.  The class will last about an
> : hour and a half after which we will break for lunch and head over to an
> : outdoor range.  Carpools can be arranged.  The only thing you need to
> : provide is some kind of eye protection such as a pair of sunglasses.  The
> : guns, ammuntion, targets, and hearing protection will be provided by the
> : club but you can bring your own guns if you have them.  There is a $20
> : charge for the class.
>
> : If you wish to sign up or you have any further questions you can email
> : Jon Magid at gt3807a@prism.gatech.edu
>
> --
> "Small people, causal remarks, and little things very often
> shape our lives more powerfully then the deliberate, solemn advice
> of great people at critical moments."   -Sir Winston Churchill
>
> Kieran Edward Fletcher
> Internet: gt8419b@prism.gatech.edu
>