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ccastcr@prism.gatech.edu (Chris Rake) writes:

>Well.  I have been disappointed by the lack of large campus maps.  We
>need a bunch.  Including a LARGE one by the main enterances.  

Define the main entrances. This becomes tricky, as where do people walk, 
and where do they drive? Where are the best places to put the maps? 

>This is on my "to complain" list right below "student center pianos"

Don't complain. Do something about it. 

The class of 1932 gave the large stone structure beside the Tech Tower
that displays the campus map. I think I could get my hands on their
plans and costs if we want to see about putting several of them around campus.

There are also pianos in the Couch Building to which you can gain access. 
There is also a piano in Under the Couch, which may still be under
repair. Check with utc@mordred.gatech.edu or dsadmmn@prism.gatech.edu.


Randy McDow
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>Well, we appreciate that. But could something be done so people in cars
>could find their ways to various things without asking us poor pedestrians?
>I often get asked where the tennis is- there are about 8 tennis 
>courts on this campus!

Well.  I have been disappointed by the lack of large campus maps.  We
need a bunch.  Including a LARGE one by the main enterances.  

This is on my "to complain" list right below "student center pianos"

+chris
 

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ashley.gigandet@facilities.gatech.edu (Ashley Gigandet) writes:

>Just a heads-up that several groups of International Olympic Committee 
>visitors will be on campus on Sunday, October 1.  They will be in busses and 

Oh Boy! In numbers- how many times am I going to get stopped on Campus
by people wanting to know where various things are when I 
walk between the Student Center and 10th street?


>are not expected to get out and walk around.  If you see a large caravan of 
>busses on the campus, it is them.  

>We just want to let people know when large groups come onto campus!

Well, we appreciate that. But could something be done so people in cars
could find their ways to various things without asking us poor pedestrians?
I often get asked where the tennis is- there are about 8 tennis 
courts on this campus!

thanks

Roger

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Georgia Tech CMPE Graduating Senior

In article <449nea$52l@acmex.gatech.edu> mcdow@prism.gatech.edu (Randy W. McDow) writes:

>>Well.  I have been disappointed by the lack of large campus maps.  We
>>need a bunch.  Including a LARGE one by the main enterances.  

>Define the main entrances. This becomes tricky, as where do people walk, 
>and where do they drive? Where are the best places to put the maps? 

>Don't complain. Do something about it. 

>The class of 1932 gave the large stone structure beside the Tech Tower
>that displays the campus map. I think I could get my hands on their
>plans and costs if we want to see about putting several of them around campus.

Actually, something is being done.  GT has recently retained a signage 
consultant that is looking at this issue as well as signage in general.  The 
goal is to have useful, consistent signs and maps on the campus.  The 
initiative is being funded by the GT Foundation.

-Ashley

__________________________
Ashley Gigandet
Olympic/Paralympic Planner
Georgia Tech - Home of the 1996 Olympic Village
"Whether we build it or not, they're coming!"

Randy W. McDow <mcdow@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:

>Define the main entrances. This becomes tricky, as where do people walk, 
>and where do they drive? Where are the best places to put the maps? 

Okay, there needs to be a map:

Near SAC, on east campus, on west campus, on north campus, and one near
the tit.

>Don't complain. Do something about it. 

I don't complain UNLESS I plan on doing something about it.

>plans and costs if we want to see about putting several of them around campus.

That would be cool.  

>There are also pianos in the Couch Building to which you can gain access. 
>There is also a piano in Under the Couch, which may still be under
>repair. Check with utc@mordred.gatech.edu or dsadmmn@prism.gatech.edu.

That's not really what we need. 

I think, it would be cool to put pianos in the sc meeting rooms.  Now, I know
there is one already (and one in the ballroom) - but they suck.  One can
pick up cheap used pianos and tune them and the students will love it.

I was going to talk to th head of the programs board during the summer, but
this project fell back on priority.  

+chris
  


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Roger Daniel Pease <gtd257a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
>>We just want to let people know when large groups come onto campus!
>
>Well, we appreciate that. But could something be done so people in cars
>could find their ways to various things without asking us poor pedestrians?
>I often get asked where the tennis is- there are about 8 tennis 
>courts on this campus!

You can't possibly be serious?!?  You're telling us that helping people
out is just too much trouble?  With out getting into a debate about your
sterling independence, have you never had to access for help, especially
when you were a frosh(oops), freshman(oops), fresh-person(oops), 
fresh-entity(oops), first-year undergraduate student?

And BTW, probably 99% of the people are looking for the tennis center.

-Kevin Almeroth

kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) writes:


>You can't possibly be serious?!?  You're telling us that helping people
>out is just too much trouble?  With out getting into a debate about your
>sterling independence, have you never had to access for help, especially
>when you were a frosh(oops), freshman(oops), fresh-person(oops), 
>fresh-entity(oops), first-year undergraduate student?

No, I have no objection to helping people out. I work for a volunteer 
service committee. I keep a first aid kit in my car. My objection is this-
TECH is making money on these programs, right? The least they could do 
is provide the people with halfway decent directions. I have no objection 
to helping a few people who get lost on the roads. I DO mind it when 
TECH basically expects me to be an unpaid tourgide. Do you know how hard
it is to give directions for someone in front of CoC to get to the ULC?
Go North, make a left, past two stop signs, make a right at 6th 
street at the 3-way intersection while heading directly South, go
to the end of the block, turn right, and make the first left you can. 
It's at the left at the end of the block.

>And BTW, probably 99% of the people are looking for the tennis center.

I got one yesterday asking where the softball field is. I don't know 
where the softball field is. Did they mean the stadium? The astroturf?
The Burger Bowl? 

Roger
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Georgia Tech CMPE Graduating Senior

Roger Daniel Pease (gtd257a@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
: >And BTW, probably 99% of the people are looking for the tennis center.

  Where is the Tennis center, anyway?  I know a lot of tennis courts, but 
not a "Tennis center".

: I got one yesterday asking where the softball field is. I don't know 
: where the softball field is. Did they mean the stadium? The astroturf?
: The Burger Bowl? 

  I know there is a softball field right next to the baseball field (and 
the baseball field is also used as such).  Maybe that is what they wanted...

-Harry

Roger Daniel Pease <gtd257a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
>service committee. I keep a first aid kit in my car. My objection is this-
>TECH is making money on these programs, right? 

I'm not sure if you could make that assumption.  It is certainly not true
in all cases.  I know for example that they had some people from foreign
teams getting an intro into what the village will be like.  I doubt they
charged them.

>TECH basically expects me to be an unpaid tourgide. Do you know how hard
>it is to give directions for someone in front of CoC to get to the ULC?

Actually, one good way (aside from getting better signage, etc.) is to
give directions to get them close and tell them to ask when they get
closer.

The hardest turn getting from CoC to ULC would be turning off of Ferst
onto whatever that street is just north of SAC.

>>And BTW, probably 99% of the people are looking for the tennis center.
>
>I got one yesterday asking where the softball field is. I don't know 
>where the softball field is. Did they mean the stadium? The astroturf?
>The Burger Bowl? 

Softball field... hmmm.  I would guess that they meant the place off
of 14th street.  Certainly not Burger Bowl, or the football stadium,
or what is left of SAC field.  And as for the baseball field there is
only one diamond, and I don't know of anyone using it for softball.

Assuming they were Olympic type people it was probably the softball
field by Atlantic steel.

-Kevin Almeroth

kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) writes:

>>service committee. I keep a first aid kit in my car. My objection is this-
>>TECH is making money on these programs, right? 

>I'm not sure if you could make that assumption.  It is certainly not true
>in all cases.  I know for example that they had some people from foreign
>teams getting an intro into what the village will be like.  I doubt they
>charged them.

Okay, maybe they don't have guards charging $1.50 enter and leave the campus, 
but they're making a whole lot in other ways. If TECH is going to be a 
business, fine.  Let it be a business. But I am not going to work for free
for a business. I don't demand to be paid for helping people, but I do
insist that reasonable steps be taken to ensure that help is not often 
needed. I don't think signs are unreasonable. 

>>TECH basically expects me to be an unpaid tourgide. Do you know how hard
>>it is to give directions for someone in front of CoC to get to the ULC?

>Actually, one good way (aside from getting better signage, etc.) is to
>give directions to get them close and tell them to ask when they get
>closer.

Yes, that's what ticks me! :-) They're basically exploiting peoples' good 
nature for their gain. I don't mind giving directions to someone once
in a while who honestly can't find their way. But at night I've gotten 
stopped 5 or 6 times- "Where is the theatre for the arts?" They really need 
some signs with arrows.  

>The hardest turn getting from CoC to ULC would be turning off of Ferst
>onto whatever that street is just north of SAC.

Which is barely marked, I might add! :-)

>Softball field... hmmm.  I would guess that they meant the place off
>of 14th street.  Certainly not Burger Bowl, or the football stadium,
>or what is left of SAC field.  And as for the baseball field there is
>only one diamond, and I don't know of anyone using it for softball.

Yes, and until you posted this I had no idea there was such a softball 
field, and I've been here 3 years plus. 

Roger
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Roger Daniel Pease    
Georgia Tech CMPE Graduating Senior

Roger Daniel Pease <gtd257a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
>Okay, maybe they don't have guards charging $1.50 enter and leave the campus, 
>but they're making a whole lot in other ways. If TECH is going to be a 
>business, fine.  Let it be a business. But I am not going to work for free
>for a business. I don't demand to be paid for helping people, but I do
>insist that reasonable steps be taken to ensure that help is not often 
>needed. I don't think signs are unreasonable. 

I think you are getting something outta this whole deal.  I don't want to
start arguing about the long vs short term benefits, or get into specific
areas where I think Tech is benefiting.  Later you mention that you've
had to give directions to people for the Center for the Arts.  Haven't
you derived ANY benefit from having the Center on campus?  I've been to
several events there that I wouldn't have gone to otherwise.

Something else you mentioned in the need for more, and better signage.
I generally cringe at the idea of putting up lots of signs as I think
it detracts from the campus in general.  It would be nice if they
figured out what they wanted before throwing up signs all over the
place.  Actually, this sounds like the Campus Planning committee.  Try
sending e-mail to Jeremy Wilkening (gt0192g@prism.gatech.edu).

-Kevin Almeroth

kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) writes:

>I think you are getting something outta this whole deal.  I don't want to
>start arguing about the long vs short term benefits, or get into specific
>areas where I think Tech is benefiting.  Later you mention that you've
>had to give directions to people for the Center for the Arts.  Haven't
>you derived ANY benefit from having the Center on campus?  I've been to
>several events there that I wouldn't have gone to otherwise.

If we're going to start making deals for my benefit, I'd like to be involved
in the decision. Especially if it is going to require work on my part.

>Something else you mentioned in the need for more, and better signage.
>I generally cringe at the idea of putting up lots of signs as I think
>it detracts from the campus in general.  It would be nice if they
>figured out what they wanted before throwing up signs all over the
>place.  Actually, this sounds like the Campus Planning committee.  Try
>sending e-mail to Jeremy Wilkening (gt0192g@prism.gatech.edu).

I personally think it depends on the way you make them. I know the 
Bronx Zoo, for example, has some wooden signs with "handwritten" 
words- looks fantastic, almost like you'd go to the jungle and expect 
to see similar signs. If TECH could develop some of those White on Brown
signs and place them at various points (the intersection of Atlantic and
Ferst, State and Ferst, Sixth street approaching form the north and south,
etc.)  I think it would do a lot of good.

Roger
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Roger Daniel Pease    
Georgia Tech CMPE Graduating Senior

In article <44cdi0$lcl@acmex.gatech.edu>,
Roger Daniel Pease <gtd257a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>kevin@cc.gatech.edu (Kevin C. Almeroth) writes:
>
>>Softball field... hmmm.  I would guess that they meant the place off
>>of 14th street.  Certainly not Burger Bowl, or the football stadium,
>>or what is left of SAC field.  And as for the baseball field there is
>>only one diamond, and I don't know of anyone using it for softball.
>
>Yes, and until you posted this I had no idea there was such a softball 
>field, and I've been here 3 years plus. 

	Which explains that good-natured people ought to help newcomers
find their way around the campus. You have been here for a while and yet
are not completely familiar with the sorroundings.

	I dont think the visitors are not smarter than you.  they are
on campus for 3 minutes before they ask for help. 

	I completely agree with you that more signs are needed. However, 
it cannot completely eliminate the need for human guidance because of
the complexity of the situation.

	Imagine GT as a place that has numerous signs with arrows at every
intersection.

Sumit
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In article <44e97u$l0p@acmey.gatech.edu>,
Roger Daniel Pease <gtd257a@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>We don't need numerous- just enough to find the major landmarks and 
>important places. We can always then say "Find the theatre for the arts, then
>go behind it" to find DramaTech.
>
Since this thread started with the Olympics visitors on campus, I suggest
we channel our suggestions/frustrations to this cause.

I invite all those who had to give directions to the various locations
around the campus to filling the following:

Hopefully, it will help the decision-makers where to put signs and for what.

	Visitor wants to find		Stopped me at
       ----------------------          ---------------------

1. Theatre for the Arts			Hemphill & Ferst
2. Aquatic Center			Hemphill & Tenth
3. Student Center			State & Tenth
4. Baseball Stadium			Student Center Parking Lot

You may add to the list.

Sumit


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gt0138d@prism.gatech.edu (Sumit) writes:

>You may add to the list.

Just as long as you do it in the right place.  The newsgroup git.announce
is mirrored in other places as important Tech announcments (I believe it
is even the MOTD on on system!), so carrying on a discussion crossposted
to git.announce is inappropriate.

Please make sure you delete git.announce from the "Newsgroups:" line when
replying.

And, if possible, please add the header line "Followup-To: <newsgroup>"
when you are crossposting to several groups.  This will place the followup
discussions into the appropriate group.

Thanks,

Eric

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gt0138d@prism.gatech.edu (Sumit) writes:

>>Yes, and until you posted this I had no idea there was such a softball 
>>field, and I've been here 3 years plus. 

>	Which explains that good-natured people ought to help newcomers
>find their way around the campus. You have been here for a while and yet
>are not completely familiar with the sorroundings.

Indeed. But it also demonstrates the unreliability of the strategy 
"Just let them ask some poor passing-by student where X is." My favorites are 
actually Frat houses. I just point them to Frat row.


>	I dont think the visitors are not smarter than you.  they are
>on campus for 3 minutes before they ask for help. 

I didn't say they weren't smarter than me. I said we need more signs 
and visitors should be given good maps.

>	I completely agree with you that more signs are needed. However, 
>it cannot completely eliminate the need for human guidance because of
>the complexity of the situation.

I suppose it depends on the nature of the place. Getting stopped once every
three weeks to find out where O'Keefe is is a little different than getting
stopped 5 to six times in an hour to find out where the Theatre for the
Arts is.

>	Imagine GT as a place that has numerous signs with arrows at every
>intersection.

We don't need numerous- just enough to find the major landmarks and 
important places. We can always then say "Find the theatre for the arts, then
go behind it" to find DramaTech.

Roger
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Georgia Tech CMPE Graduating Senior