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Larry,
You have shown great leadership qualities by the position you have taken
towards the Tiawan issue. 
Good job!
Cheers to the Chinese club. Now if only everyone were able to seperate
culture from politics.
Hormuz


Larry Hsin Lin (gt7098a@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
: To All Related Readers,

: This is a positional statement made by the current president of Georgia
: Tech's Chinese Student Association (GT-CSA).  It is in regards to the
: current political situational between China (PRC) and Taiwan (ROC).

: 1).  GT-CSA's involvement.  Our officers and decision makers have already
: determined that GT-CSA is not interested to become involved in ANY
: EXTERNAL politically oriented activities  -- protests, alliance formation, 
: etc.  We are very involved on Georgia Tech campus.  We wish to remain
: focused within GT students' direct/internal affairs.

: We will not discourage any of our members or friends from participating in
: the above activities.  We view these individual choices as very reasonable
: illustration of personal preferences for political forms.  However, on the
: same spirit of respect for the individual, and acceptance of differences,
: GT-CSA will focus on less dividing/threatening & more unifying issues.
: (e.g. cultural celebration, social gathering, interpersonal assistance.)

: 2).  Our Hope.  GT-CSA wishes for some very simple and common-sense
:      results here on Georgia Tech campus:
:   = We wish for mutual tolerance and peaceful resolution between China and
:     Taiwan.  We are aware this can be achieved by a variety of means, but
:     not by GT-CSA's involvement (long distance; student's other concerns;
:     Spring Break; lack of extended exposure to this conflict.)
:   = Asian countries' military, economic, political and rhetorical disputes
:     shall NOT affect our club's activities in any way.
:   = Since GT-CSA is made up of a wide variety of members (students, graduates,
:     professors, alumni ... from China, Taiwan, U.S., Vietnam, Malaysia ... ) 
:     we carefully do not take any one position to discriminate against others.

:     But we will not remain silent to avoid all discussion.  We are aware that
:     our members are personally affected (own family members, own political
:     views, own future), so we permit and encourage free/unlimited discussion
:     among our members and on our newsgroup (git.club.chinese) as long as no
:     personal attacks surface to divide up GT-CSA.


: The above statements are drafted by the current president in behalf of the
: GT-CSA officers and decision-makers.  Direct all responses to the author
: himself at  l_lin@isye.gatech.edu  .

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Hormuz Minina
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Hormuzdyar Jehangir Minina wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> You have shown great leadership qualities by the position you have taken
> towards the Tiawan issue.
> Good job!
> Cheers to the Chinese club. Now if only everyone were able to seperate
> culture from politics.
> Hormuz
> 

Yeah, what leadership.  He's not getting involved because he doesn't want to 
interrupt Spring Break.  Did the students at Tianneman Square mind interrupting
their cultural activities to protest a tyrranical regime that insists on killing 
its own citizens and denying them their fundamental rights as human beings?  

The Red chinese are going to subjugate the Nationalists on Formosa any way they can
and will do so at the first moment they think they can without the U.S. stopping
them.  There is no other military power that can stand up to them. Those are the 
stakes. 

I met one of the students that had the courage to face down a T-54 tank full of
communist soldiers armed with machine guns.  To call the person that issued 
this "positional statement" a leader displays either absolute ignorance or 
the height of arrogance.  It is an insult to those students willing to lay down
their very lives for the sake of their people. 

I hope you are able to continue to enjoy the cultural opportunities that our 
political system has afforded you the freedom to pursue.  


--
Mark Clinard                    Georgia Tech Research Institute
(770) 528-7635                  Sensors and Electromagnetic Apps Laboratory
mark.clinard@gtri.gatech.edu    Atlanta, Georgia  30332

 "The rationalist whose reason is not sufficient to teach him those
  limitations of the powers of conscious reason, and who despises all
  the institutions and customs which have not been consciously designed,
  would thus become the destroyer of the civilization built upon them."

     F.A. Hayek, "Economic Freedom and Representative Government"

Mark Clinard (mark.clinard@gtri.gatech.edu) wrote:

How else could the chinese club have acted? I see your point about the
Tianneman Sq. though I feel it is unrelated to the issue of the GT
chinese club. What I was saying poited to the fact that the
Chinese club is not a political org. and even though many of their members
might want to support the chinese gov and their intentions with regard to
tiawan, their leadership has stayed true to the clubs charter. 
Hormuz 

: Yeah, what leadership.  He's not getting involved because he doesn't want to 
: interrupt Spring Break.  Did the students at Tianneman Square mind interrupting
: their cultural activities to protest a tyrranical regime that insists on killing 
: its own citizens and denying them their fundamental rights as human beings?  

: The Red chinese are going to subjugate the Nationalists on Formosa any
way they can
: and will do so at the first moment they think they can without the U.S.
stopping
: them.  There is no other military power that can stand up to them. Those are the 
: stakes. 

: I met one of the students that had the courage to face down a T-54 tank full of
: communist soldiers armed with machine guns.  To call the person that issued 
: this "positional statement" a leader displays either absolute ignorance or 
: the height of arrogance.  It is an insult to those students willing to lay down
: their very lives for the sake of their people. 

: I hope you are able to continue to enjoy the cultural opportunities that our 
: political system has afforded you the freedom to pursue.  


: --
: Mark Clinard                    Georgia Tech Research Institute
: (770) 528-7635                  Sensors and Electromagnetic Apps Laboratory
: mark.clinard@gtri.gatech.edu    Atlanta, Georgia  30332

:  "The rationalist whose reason is not sufficient to teach him those
:   limitations of the powers of conscious reason, and who despises all
:   the institutions and customs which have not been consciously designed,
:   would thus become the destroyer of the civilization built upon them."

:      F.A. Hayek, "Economic Freedom and Representative Government"

Mark Clinard wrote:

<snip>

> Yeah, what leadership.  He's not getting involved because he doesn't want to
> interrupt Spring Break.  Did the students at Tianneman Square mind interrupting
> their cultural activities. . ?

<snip-snip>
 
> I met one of the students that had the courage to face down a T-54 tank full of
> communist soldiers armed with machine guns.  To call the person that issued
> this "positional statement" a leader displays either absolute ignorance or
> the height of arrogance.  It is an insult to those students willing to lay down
> their very lives for the sake of their people.

> --
> Mark Clinard                    Georgia Tech Research Institute
> (770) 528-7635                  Sensors and Electromagnetic Apps Laboratory
> mark.clinard@gtri.gatech.edu    Atlanta, Georgia  30332

	Well now, not so fast Mark.  It is of course true that our Chinese 
guests in this country are not in IMMEDIATE danger of life and limb if 
they displease the Beijing gov't.  But they are being watched.  I have a 
mainland Chinese friend who was at U.Texas-Austin when the TAM massacre 
went down.  He along with most of the other Chinese were out protesting 
when the spooks from the Chinese consulate came out and took pictures of 
everyone.  The threat was transparent.  If he went home, he stood a real 
chance of being exiled to the People's Heroic Revolutionary Red Banner 
Vanguard of the Proletarian Masses Cabbage Farm somewhere in the ass-end 
of the Gobi Desert, or something like that.  He couldn't stay here 
either, because of some problem with his visa, so he had to drop out of 
school, pack up his family, and move to Australia.
	This most recent crisis is different, in that many of the Chinese have 
differing opinions on who's right--the mainland or Taiwan.  Anyone who 
listened in at soc.culture.china over the weekend heard how ferociously 
the world's Chinese were ripping into one another.  So Larry the g.i.t. 
Chinese club leader is doing his group a big favor by keeping them calm.  
After all, you never know who is listening.
-- 

bruce thompson           *So long as nothing happens, nothing will.         
brucet@mindspring.com    
                         *The great consolation in life is to say                                                                                                     
                          precisely what one thinks.
                                       --Voltaire

bruce thompson wrote:
>         Well now, not so fast Mark.  It is of course true that our Chinese
> guests in this country are not in IMMEDIATE danger of life and limb if
> they displease the Beijing gov't.  But they are being watched.  I have a

you are so right!  hormuzdyar (i apologize if i spelled your name wrong) and 
you both have good points on your followup.  i apologize for my tone to you mr.
h.  it is a totalitarian regime and our detente with them has had a side product of
having their agents filter into our expatriot (chinese) population and practice their
counterintelligence wares from what i hear on the news and from stories like yours.
it sounds like paranoia to those that aren't familiar with the history, but i believe
that it is true.  

its a tough spot that chinese students are in whether they are here in the US or over
there in China mainland or otherwise.  

the communists know however, what they must do to have long term survival, they must
destroy the moral fiber of their citizens and their willingness to stand up for their 
freedom.  the communists managed to do that in Russia where organized crime has 
replaced the local party in running most institutions.  in eastern europe, the 
evolution is markedly different i think because only one generation was subject to 
the Communist system.  I personally believe that the Russians will enslave themselves again 
whereas countries like the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Germany (East) will move toward 
freedom.  now the Taiwanese government is not without its corrupt elements, but i think 
the heart and soul of the world's largest country is at a pivotal point.

and i must admit, its really easy for me to pontificate on the matter with no family and few 
acquaintances having any connection whatsoever to these countries.  so yes, i was harsh
on these people.  i wish them luck.
--
Mark Clinard                    Georgia Tech Research Institute
(770) 528-7635                  Sensors and Electromagnetic Apps Laboratory
mark.clinard@gtri.gatech.edu    Atlanta, Georgia  30332