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Thus Spake cmort@nwohio.com (Chris Morton):

%>Yes.  However I have to be convinced it's a long-term policy (In other words,
%>cite some instances from before Clinton's election and evidence it will
continue
%>after the next presidential election).  I also have to be convinced that there
%>is no other possibility of peaceful resolution.  Civil War is one of the worst
%>fates to befall a great nation.
%
%No sweat.  The BATF was created under Nixon.  It's been doing exactly
%the same things from the Kenyon Ballew case, through the Weaver case
%under Bush, to the Waco case under Clinton.  There isn't even the
%slightest indication that they plan to change.

Really?  There was no internal shakeup at all?  Read the damn papers.

%Then there's the FBI and it's 70 year or more record of antics.

70 year record of antics?  The only 'antics' I recall have to do with Hoover
(one man) deciding civil rights leaders were communists.

%Then there's the Japanese internment.

A one-off under special circumstances.  The Feds have not only apologized but
started paying reparations.  

%As for civil wars, Japan would have been a hell of a lot better of
%with a Civil War in 1938 than what it got instead.

You think we're about to go to war with a better-armed nation and get bombed
flat?

%>I think that he went overboard in many ways.  However Hoover on his worst,
most
%>paranoid day was still no excuse to revolt.
%
%How about the Japanese internment?

Mr. Hoover, if you check some period sources, was almost the only man in the
government to argue vehemently against the internment.  

%Did the Japanese-Americans have a duty to go into those racial
%concentration camps?

I will point out that there _were_ cases of espionage by Niesi.  And that many
Niesi refused to swear a loyatly oath to the US.  In some camps they rioted in
support of Hirohito.  I've seen articles describing riots that occoured when
Japanese-American Boy Scouts put up an American flag--they almost got killed by
pro-Japanese.  This doesn't change the fact that it was a violation of civil
rights, but points out there were damn good grounds to violate them on.  After
all, Mr. Lincoln suspended habeus corpus for five years, too.

I also disagree that they were racially motivated.  If that were the case, why
didn't all Japanese-Americans end up in one?  Instead of just those on the West
Coast?  And if they were racially motivated, why did those persons of German and
Italian nationality end up in simmillar camps?  Most of your history books don't
mention that, but foreign nationals of belligerant nations all got locked up.

And finally, concentration camps is a bad term for this.  To imply that the
Japanese internment was any thing on the level of the suffering inflicted on
inmates at the Nazi concentration camps is so ludicrous as to belong on
alt.revisionism.


John M. Atkinson
jatkinso@gmu.edu
Find the enemy and shoot him down; anything else is nonsense.
                     Captain Baron Manfred von Richthofen