🚀 go-pugleaf

John M Atkinson wrote:
> 
> Thus Spake klaatu <klaatu@clark.net>:
> %

<oopsies, sorry for the waste of bandwidth, hit the send key prematurely
- and so a split response>

> I'm not particularly pleased with some things either.  I'm still Combat Arms.
> As are most of the Guardsmen I know.
> 
> %> said traitors would get the
> %> buisness end of a riot baton.  Unless they start waving firearms, in which
> case,
> %> they'll get shot.
> %
> %I do believe that such were the sentiments of King George III.
> 
> KG III didn't have the majority of the population behind him.
> 
> %No, I do not call for armed revolution, but I do call for an ongoing
> %course of civil disobedience and litigation. Believe me, as long as
> %things are widely perceived as a course of increasing oppression and
> %disenfranchisement, civil dissatisfaction and unrest can only increase.
> %And that's bad for stockholders.
> 
> Frankly, whether I agree or not with your politics, you have the right to do
> whatever you please, as long as it is accord with the US Constitution.  Armed
> insurrection will get me and a lot of like-minded fellows in uniform out hunting
> you down.

Evidently you have me confused with McLaren in Texas. and I do
appreciate your respect for the Constitution. Oddly enough, I find that
most often these days the Military seems to be about the only people who
_do_ respect the Constitution. The civilians I usually encounter
(including many who should know very much better) seem to be largely, -
indeed abysmally - ignorant of other's rights to differ.

But tell me this since you seem so determined to hunt me down. 

If I and like-minded non-felonious citizens take to arms to defend
common ground (say in the case of a riot of the Rodney King Riots in LA
a few years back), repelling boarders, etc _until legitimate authority
can take control and provide for the common defence_ - will you hunt
_us_ down? For having _presumed_ to defend ourselves?

I suspect that _you_ mightn't. But as you say above, the population
certainly does seem to be behind the idea of hunting down anyone who is
willing to take care of themselves instead of waiting for the cops that
never come in time to save anything. (doubtless the media's increasing
linkage between the phrases "anti-government" and "militia" has
something to do with that sad popular loathing for local militia. 
[ sadly many militia "spokesmen" seem to make the same linkage! ]) 

> 
> %>  Guardsmen, including some buddies I went
> %> to AIT with.  Remember the blizzard of '96?  First weekend of January.  300
> %> Guardsmen got called out to drive Hummers to take people in for dialysis,
> %> deliver prescriptions, and so forth.
> %
> %As well they should - but you'll note that as a rule when there is such
> %nasty weather, people with four-wheel vehicles are requested by local
> %media to register their willingness to provide such services.
> 
> Obviously not enough did.  300 Guardsmen (and about the same number of VADF
> types) had to be called up.  My point isn't about volunteerism and so forth,
> which I'm in favor of, but that the Guard still fulfills traditional militia
> roles in support of local authorities.

No problem with that and thank you very much. It's the same thing, I
guess, as me admiring a policeman if he's out nabbing a robber, while
being a tad annoyed when I see them writing parking tickets.

Um, re: not enough people brought out their 4-wheelers - actually, I
suspect that this might have been more due to the complete
impreparedness of the local highway departments regarding timely
clearance of the highways in such outrageous (for hereabouts) weather.

> 
> %> %As an aggregate of the taxational powers of the States, I argue that it
> %> %does. But I might be tempted to argue that this power to tax should be
> %> %only the result of a legitimately-enacted Constitutional Amendment.
> %>
> %> There is an amendment to that effect.
> %
> %And there are evidently questions as to the legality, something about a
> %quorum not being present, etc.
> 
> 1)That's a seperate debate.
> 
> 2)Any citations you have would be appreciated via e-mail rather than wasting
> bandwidth on an off-topic argument.

Yadda yadda? Sure thing, topic drifts. Not one of my own favorite dead
horses to beat.

> 
> %> %What about every single citizen who can get their hands on gasoline,
> %> %fertilizer and diesel fuel? which is to say just about every citizen?
> %>
> %> Go for it.  See what happens.  I predict you blow yourself up.
> %
> %I might at that. But there might well be someone who could easily and
> %quickly teach people how to blow things up other than themselves.
> 
> Just be very, very careful with whatever you're planning on detonating it with.
> Ammonium Nitrate is fairly insensitive, but it takes another explosive to set it
> off.

I'd love to tell you which of about five ways I could set it off, but
I'll refrain since I don't need to get lumped into the category of
people who post bomb-making recipes in UseNews. Besides I wouldn't want
to give anyone any ideas.

> 
> %> %The Haitian Slave Revolution, where all on the same day absolutely every
> %> %servant served their masters with puffer-fish?
> %>
> %> Bingo.
> %
> %See? I read too.
> 
> It's unusuall, but every now and then I find one on the 'net.

Hey, there's a _reason_ I cook my own food... and only eat fish I've
caught personally... heh.

> 
> John M. Atkinson
> jatkinso@gmu.edu
> "A nation which despises its soldiers will all too soon
> have a despicable army
>                  --Jerry Pournelle

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