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John M Atkinson wrote:
> 
> Thus Spake mshinn@osf1.gmu.edu (Michael T Shinn):
> 
> %: Funny, I thought that was what happened to the last violent insurrection.
> %: Seem
> %: to recall something about the US Army expanding to it's largest size up until
> %: that time (primarily by Federalizing militia regiments) and hunting down a
> %: pack
> %: of insurgents known as the Army of Northern Virginia.  I could swear they
> %: mentioned it in history class somewhere. . . And of course my batallion was
> %: one
> %: of the huntees.
> %
> %Yep, except that my friend was a declared War.  Still doesn't change the
> 
> Nope-wasn't a war.  Have to have two countries to hold a war.  Was an
> insurrection.  Check the papers of the time.
> 
> %fact that the Army doesn't the legal authority to go hunting down American
> %Citizens.  Hate to rain on your parade, but you'd need a clearly defined
> %state of war to do that again, and in the Case of the Civil War you had a
> %defined and declared WAR.  American Citizens have a constitutional right
> %to safe in homes from the Army.  The Army does *not* have power to police,
> %and that includes hunting down American citizens.
> 
> Unless and until some idiot tries armed insurrection, kicks around the local and
> state cops, and the Governor tells us to restore order.

At that point in time, your mission is to restore order. _not_ to hunt
down citizens. Are we clear on the difference?

> 
> %: And the annual civil disturbance training is mandated for a reason.  And the
> %: reason I got told was that when civil authorities loose control of an area,
> %: they call for National Guard backup.  Are you going to suggest that's not
> %: what would happen in case of armed rebellion?
> %
> %Not at all, but whos to say the armed rebellion wouldn't be against a
> %tyrannical federal government?  Its not like history isn't full of such
> %things happening.  But if you recall your CD training you don't have
> %police powers - you defer to the LOCAL authorities.  Only in extreme cases
> %of martial law do you have the latitude to not defer, and even then you
> %are constatly operating under the constraint of: These are AMERICAN
> %CITIZENS NOT THE ENEMY.
> 
> Right-after we take them down, we hand the off to the local cops to arrest.
> We're still the ones moving in with riot batons, and selected marksmen behind to
> take down anyone waving a firearm.
> 
> %I have no doubts where the US Military will take sides, if the Oath we all
> %took is any indicator, we should be standing with the constitution FIRST.
> %So if that armed insurrection were to overthrow a government which was
> %trashing the constitution, I hope it would be lead by the defenders of
> %that piece of paper.
> 
> First you have to demonstrate that the Federal Government is violating the
> Constitution.

Ruby Ridge. Waco.

>  Second you have to demonstrate that you have a prayer of winning.

So let's see, you are baldly stating "citizen, you must cower and kiss
ass because I have a bigger gun than you do?"

We _really_ don't need people like you itching for a chance to lord it
over us.


> 
> John M. Atkinson
> jatkinso@gmu.edu
> "A nation which despises its soldiers will all too soon
> have a despicable army
>                  --Jerry Pournelle

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