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John M Atkinson (jatkinso@ANTISPAMgmu.edu) wrote:
: The Virginia Militia Law.  I'll quote it all if you like.

Are you actually trying to make the superfulous argument that the Virginia
Nation Guard - part of the US Army no less - is the state militia?  That
somehow the Guard is created by STATE law?

Where on earth do you think the fuding for the Guard comes from?  The
funding fairy?  The last time I got an ARTEP in the Guard my evaluators
were all FEDERAL - not State people.  I can follow for the money trail can
you?

: %when I was in the guard, we never considered ourselves a milityia.  The
: %last time I checked my uniform still said "U.S. Army" - but then again
: %what the hell do I know - I was only an Infantryman for Uncle Sam (Active
: %and reserves) for Ten years.

: It does-but check the State law authorizing the Guard to exist.

And then check the Federal laws that govern the guard.  IF you think for
one second that the Virginia Guard would follow the Governor and not the
President if it were asked to do otherwise, then you missed ever word of
your oath.  Its *all* about upholding and defending the constituional of
the United States - not the consitution of the State of Virginia.

You can play semantics all you want on this one, but the fact remains that
the Virginia Guard is 100% a part of the US Army.  And the US Army is
*not* a militia.  Its an Army.  Go look that one up.

: Then look at
: battle honors-those units old enough carry them dating back to WBTS (and before)
: militia units.  My batallion was Virgina Infantry regiment during the WBTS.
: Hell, there are units in Massachusetts NG which carry honors from Lexington and
: Concord.

And?  So the past equals the present?  The 29th is comprised of units that
fought each other - and your point is?  That these units are still
militias?  Uh, clues are free this week friend - the regimental system has
been in effect for a long time.  Those militias are long gone.  In fact,
those affilitations don't mean much, they get pushed around all the time.

So the fact that a unit was once a militia does not mean that it is a
militia.  If we buy into that logic, then a large measure of the units
today would be flying confederate flags.

Let me be clear about this one, the National Guard is a full blown arm of
the US Military - its got Staff level offices in the Pentagon - its part
of the Military, under federal control and in most cases its armories are
on FEDERAL property. Except for SMR, all the bases are owned by the US
Government.  

: %: As defined by the instigators of the Whiskey Rebellion. . . 
: %
: %The NRA was an instigator fo the Whiskey Rebellion?  I think you need to
: %check your history books.  Either that, or quote is taking my post totally
: %out of centext.

: NRA subscribes to the basic tenants of those who instigated the Whiskey
: Rebellion.

Gratuitous assertion.  Just as gratuituously denied.  I'll give you the
benefit of the doubt though, I challenge you to support that supposition.
(Otherwise, by the position of the null hypothesis, its a false assertion)

: %Fallacy of equivocation and appeal to emotion, vigilante <> militia.

: OK, who in hell would this hypothetical militia fight?  If criminals, then
: vigilante.  If armed invasion, let's just say anything that gets this far is too
: mean for a couple of rednecks to stop with hunting rifles.  If the Federal
: Government, fsck them, I'll be helping hunt them down.

Thats your opinion.  History doesn't support it though.  The American
revoluntion was won by partisians.  And so was Vietnam.  But why let facts
stand in the way of rhetoric eh?

M. Shinn

(these are my opinions, and if it needs to be said not those of the GMS)