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From: Ed Seedhouse
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:47
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 16:47
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"Greg Kennedy" <gmgk@earthlink.net> wrote: >> Even just writing all those zeros once took about 5 minutes to get all the >> commas right! > You have inadvertently discovered my point. Nothing inadvertent about it. >Now, why do you assume (there's that word again) that there can never be a better >way to handle a problem which superficially appears to be too big for >the known universe, yet is finite in nature? I make no such assumption. Right now there is only one way to find a "solution" to chess, and as a matter of fact it will require not merely examining 10^50 positions but the vastly larger number which is the number of ways that these positions can legally appear in actual chess games. 10^50 is "merely" the number of positions you will have to list to record the solution. > I find particularly amusing the assumption that you "know" the number of atoms in the > universe, and that there aren't enough of them to store every chess position, so therefore, >blah, blah. It seems to me that one could argue, just as you do, that it is >impossible to count the number of atoms in the universe, and so therefore, blah, blah. No one said we can count them, they said we can estimate them, and we can. In fact we can estimate within a few orders of magnitude the number, not merely of atoms, but of elementary particles in the universe. > Chess, in the sense of an endgame tablebase, is finite. The board is finite. >The number of pieces is finite. The number of legal moves in any given >position is finite. So what? No one has maintained that it isn't finite. It is finite, it is just amazingly uncomprehendingly blazingly fantastically *huge*. Sorry to use such mild language. >What could be simpler? :-) Someone who thinks that Greg's argument makes sense? Ed Seedhouse "Seedhouse" on ICC CFC Rating: 2050
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