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Article #2043Re: CPUs at 30 Ghz in the year 2005
From: Tom Klem
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:46
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:46
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We are just at the beginning. Chess, is a theoretically finite activity. If my experience with end game tablebases is any indication, this fact is not impossible for a computer. For example, we now have all the end game table bases for three, four and five piece endings, with some in the six piece area. It is not much of a stretch, in my opinion except for storage and retrieval paradigmns, to see thirty-two piece end game table bases (we're no longer in end games here). I have seen multi-processor (SMP) operating systems which allow Chess programs to access more computing power than ever before, allowing a million nodes per second to be examined, and I am eagerly awaiting distributed operating systems which will allow Chess programs to access many machines on a distributed network. When you consider that almost all of the computational progress which we now take for granted as being a fact of humankind, took place in a single century, one can only imagine what is to come. I have no idea where it will all end, only that it will. Tom Klem "Russell" <rreagan@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:9e1g6o$4fs$1@oprah.cc.utexas.edu... > > I wonder what a computer chess programs ELO would be running under these ? > > > > Will a desktop computer be as strong as IBM Deeper Blue ?? > > Chess is a game that is not going to be solved (i.e. the complete search > from opening until ending) with current technology. You can add a million > processors, and it might help, but it would take billions of years to > complete a search of this size even if you took every computer in the world > and put them working on this one problem. Not to mention the space required > to store the information simply does not exist. > > And on the other side of things... > > I read some articles on new expiremental technology, that in "theory", will > allow us to solve problems that would take our current technology billions > of years to be solved in minutes. It has something to do with electrons and > the way they rotate. Assuming that this technology sometime comes into > realization, the problem of storing the massive amount of information needs > to be addressed. I read another article (the same article actually) that > talked about another experimental technology that would allow us to store > the amount of information required in something the size of a dime. It uses > some kind of laser light beam to store information. Again, this is all in > theory. > > But to answer your question, adding more processing power (with the current > technology) is going to help things, but not make computers be able to > destroy every GM that they play. The top humans still have the edge over > computers in long games, and they will continue to until some new technology > of method of playing computer chess is invented/discovered. 30 GHz > processors wouldn't be as strong as Deep Blue I don't imagine because Deep > Blue was hardware for the most part, not software. It should be interesting > to see how IBM's next project, Deep Gene, will perform. It is said to be > able to do a quadrillion operations per second (1 million GHz). It should > be strong, and it's using some kind of method of modeling the human brain I > believe. So if it can accurately model the human brain and go faster than > the human brain, then we might see the end of humans having the edge over > computers in long games. > >
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